Posted May 30, 2015
Howdy.
First of all let me congratulate you for clicking the topic, that was your first step on the road of becoming a Gwent
Obsessive deckbuilding and card-hoarding are signs of a true Gwentist.
Now, let me give you a seed for discussion and a word of warning when it comes to card collecting.
As many already know, most merchants & traders can be challenged to play Gwent. This includes barkeeps (almost all), alchemists (some) and blacksmiths (a few). This doesn't include travelling traders and a few stationary traders are Gwentophobes as well.
Many non-merchant NPCs can be played as well, e.g. a guy in the garden in Vizima, the loan shark in Novigrad, a patron in the tarven in White Orchard..
And then there are the quest-related gwent players who give the greatest rewards. The gwent tournament players are the hardest (in my opinion Sasha is the hardest npc to beat in the world to most decks) and they cannot be found for a rematch, so enjoy the tournament while it lasts!
Anyways, my focus is on the merchant NPCs who can be played. Every opponent will give you ONE card as a prize the first time you beat them. Afterwards they give you other rewards, ranging from trader trash to useful crafting materials.
Anyways, from my experience playing nearly all merchants in the world, the card they give you the first time is RANDOMLY GENERATED from a pool of cards that changes between players. The quest NPCs, on the other hand, have a fixed card they'll give you when/if you win.
Most merchants have 2 decks they may give you a card from (2 races, that is), and the card can range from a weak card to a hero card. Hero cards are not fixed!
There are only a few non-quest npcs that have a fixed card they'll give you and those cards are usually leader cards.
My statistics (from save-scumming like a true card hoarder!)
The beggar merchant in eastern Novigrad (afaik appears only after completing the first main quest in Novigrad, could be wrong on this):
The first time I played him ever, he gave me Imlerith. IMLERITH! (He's a power 10 monster hero card, and he was my first monster hero at that time)
Afterwards I went to have my hair cut by a drunk barber (you know who I'm talking about..) and wasted about 200 crowns getting back my look. After this I decided to reload my last save because I was so angry at myself for wasting so much money on looking exactly the same as when I entered the barbershop.
Oh well, the save took me back to a point before I played the beggar. I played him again, beat him as I always do~, and you know what he gave me?
... A lousy Scoia'tael scout.
And thus I learned the hard way that most merchants have an EITHER a rng or a percentage drop from a set pool containing cards from 2 decks (races).
Up to this point I haven't gotten my Imlerith back and the cards I've gotten are quite random from 2 decks. Either it's all up to chance in the rng, or there's a lower percentage drop for hero cards / good cards.
Tested it further with a couple of npcs (a trader in blackbough and the innkeep in the Silver Cat Inn), continuing the trend. I see a lot of the same cards from the alchemist east of Novigrad, for one. Unfortunately for me those cards are low level Scoia'tael or weather cards.. If he's any indication there's either a limited amount of cards in the rng (not the whole deck, this seems the most plausible), or there's a very high percentage for certain cards to be given.
So if you get a good card from a merchant, QUICKSAVE! Or at least don't treat it as business as usual!
Sorry for the long post! Hope this info stands true in the future and that it helps at least somebody! I can't be the only hoarder out there!
EDIT: Now got a neutral card, Villentretenmerth, from him. This story got a happy ending - feel he's more valuable to me than Imlerith at the moment. Maybe I'll get Imlerith from someone from Skellige, I haven't gotten that far yet.
First of all let me congratulate you for clicking the topic, that was your first step on the road of becoming a Gwent
Obsessive deckbuilding and card-hoarding are signs of a true Gwentist.
Now, let me give you a seed for discussion and a word of warning when it comes to card collecting.
As many already know, most merchants & traders can be challenged to play Gwent. This includes barkeeps (almost all), alchemists (some) and blacksmiths (a few). This doesn't include travelling traders and a few stationary traders are Gwentophobes as well.
Many non-merchant NPCs can be played as well, e.g. a guy in the garden in Vizima, the loan shark in Novigrad, a patron in the tarven in White Orchard..
And then there are the quest-related gwent players who give the greatest rewards. The gwent tournament players are the hardest (in my opinion Sasha is the hardest npc to beat in the world to most decks) and they cannot be found for a rematch, so enjoy the tournament while it lasts!
Anyways, my focus is on the merchant NPCs who can be played. Every opponent will give you ONE card as a prize the first time you beat them. Afterwards they give you other rewards, ranging from trader trash to useful crafting materials.
Anyways, from my experience playing nearly all merchants in the world, the card they give you the first time is RANDOMLY GENERATED from a pool of cards that changes between players. The quest NPCs, on the other hand, have a fixed card they'll give you when/if you win.
Most merchants have 2 decks they may give you a card from (2 races, that is), and the card can range from a weak card to a hero card. Hero cards are not fixed!
There are only a few non-quest npcs that have a fixed card they'll give you and those cards are usually leader cards.
My statistics (from save-scumming like a true card hoarder!)
The beggar merchant in eastern Novigrad (afaik appears only after completing the first main quest in Novigrad, could be wrong on this):
The first time I played him ever, he gave me Imlerith. IMLERITH! (He's a power 10 monster hero card, and he was my first monster hero at that time)
Afterwards I went to have my hair cut by a drunk barber (you know who I'm talking about..) and wasted about 200 crowns getting back my look. After this I decided to reload my last save because I was so angry at myself for wasting so much money on looking exactly the same as when I entered the barbershop.
Oh well, the save took me back to a point before I played the beggar. I played him again, beat him as I always do~, and you know what he gave me?
... A lousy Scoia'tael scout.
And thus I learned the hard way that most merchants have an EITHER a rng or a percentage drop from a set pool containing cards from 2 decks (races).
Up to this point I haven't gotten my Imlerith back and the cards I've gotten are quite random from 2 decks. Either it's all up to chance in the rng, or there's a lower percentage drop for hero cards / good cards.
Tested it further with a couple of npcs (a trader in blackbough and the innkeep in the Silver Cat Inn), continuing the trend. I see a lot of the same cards from the alchemist east of Novigrad, for one. Unfortunately for me those cards are low level Scoia'tael or weather cards.. If he's any indication there's either a limited amount of cards in the rng (not the whole deck, this seems the most plausible), or there's a very high percentage for certain cards to be given.
So if you get a good card from a merchant, QUICKSAVE! Or at least don't treat it as business as usual!
Sorry for the long post! Hope this info stands true in the future and that it helps at least somebody! I can't be the only hoarder out there!
EDIT: Now got a neutral card, Villentretenmerth, from him. This story got a happy ending - feel he's more valuable to me than Imlerith at the moment. Maybe I'll get Imlerith from someone from Skellige, I haven't gotten that far yet.
Post edited May 30, 2015 by Plantren