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link1264: And no, Ren02, the Prince of Persia games are NOT harder than the Witcher 2.
Well, let us compare a fight against a group of Blue Sand Guards in Sands of Time to a group fight against heavily armored enemies with shields in Assassins of Kings then.

1. killing enemies
PoP: there are 2 methods to killing Blue Sand Guards: wall rebound attack or using the dagger. everything else gets you knocked on your back.
TW2: if you can get pass the shield, anything goes

2. stunlocking
PoP: if you've been thrown to the ground and there's at least 2 enemies near you then the only option is to rewind time and somehow avoid being thrown on your back. getting up is impossible. you can block the incoming blows indefinitely while lying on the ground though but Farah has zero intention of helping you.
TW2: if you've been knocked on your back and you're surrounded then the fight is over as enemies hit you from all sides while Geralt struggles to get back up. If there is an opening then rolling away is still an option.

3. running away
PoP: enemies teleport in front of you and immediately knock you down (this might be blockable but I could never do it)
TW2: enemies run after you and generally do not run faster than you

4. protection
PoP: rewinding time after a fuckup might alleviate the situation. you need to kill some enemies to get more sand.
TW2: quen. you need to stay alive without quen for vigor to regenerate.

5. enemy reinforcements
PoP: enemies teleport to the scene. There seems to be a limit to the number of enemies that are attacking the Prince simultaneously
TW2: enemies arrive by running towards Geralt. usually they do not teleport to the scene (except some camp fights that you're not supposed to do anyway)

6. enemy lockon
PoP: aiming the camera, a failure to finish off an enemy causes it to be reanimated at full health
TW2: holding a key. switching targets does not have that big of a penalty. no need to explicitly finish a downed enemy.

How on earth is PoP easier?
I'm a long time yahtzee viewer. He generally provides very funny, entertaining, and in an odd round about way informative view in his videos. But lately, I haven't been 'loling' at his videos as much as I used to, and after viewing his TW2 review I have to say he is long past his golden years (in terms of zero punctuation at least).

At the most I smirked at some of what he said, but for the most part I was thinking 'wait, thats blatantly wrong'

His complaint of the drinking animations for potions being too long, for example, made me raise an eyebrow, seeing as his complaint took longer than the animation.

Of course, there were a few valid points, but some of them had been addressed in the recent patch, and the rest were either ill-informed, plain wrong or a result of not looking at the tutorial/menu.

I encourage people to watch his earler videos- they are truly gold and are much more entertaining than his recent ones which have lost the flair he once had.
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Ren02: How on earth is PoP easier?
Simple, in PoP you don't get gang-raped by drowners because the controls aren't slow to respond, the block actually works most of the time, and if you find that the enemies have you completley surrounded you have a move that allows you to vault over an enemy and out of harms way.

But seriously, you compared one kind of enemy in a game that has many to one kind of enemy in a game that also has many, and quite a few of them are ALOT more annoying than the shield guards.

If you think PoP is harder, that is opinion. Different people are better at different types of games. I, for one, don't understand how you can think that, but that doesn't mean you are wrong.

PoP is harder for you, TW2 is keyboard-smashingly frustrating at times for me.
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iSkelzor: I'm a long time yahtzee viewer. He generally provides very funny, entertaining, and in an odd round about way informative view in his videos. But lately, I haven't been 'loling' at his videos as much as I used to, and after viewing his TW2 review I have to say he is long past his golden years (in terms of zero punctuation at least).

At the most I smirked at some of what he said, but for the most part I was thinking 'wait, thats blatantly wrong'

His complaint of the drinking animations for potions being too long, for example, made me raise an eyebrow, seeing as his complaint took longer than the animation.

Of course, there were a few valid points, but some of them had been addressed in the recent patch, and the rest were either ill-informed, plain wrong or a result of not looking at the tutorial/menu.

I encourage people to watch his earler videos- they are truly gold and are much more entertaining than his recent ones which have lost the flair he once had.
And just what complaints of his were solved by the recent patch exactly? Because I have played it since 1.2 came out and I still think his big complaints are valid?
Post edited June 09, 2011 by link1264
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Vulf: LOL, he plays the game on a laptop and creates a review??!! He doesnt even qualify to be a reviewer. If you are an official reviewer you should have atleast have a good gaming PC. You just cant go blaming the devs for making the game not run well on your 10 year old plagued laptop..
Ah, see, I would have thought it's positive if you make your game run on comparatively weak hardware, and negative if it's the opposite.

Sure he should have a good PC, doesn't mean it's positive that despite it's graphics, the game runs as bad as it does.

(doesn't really lessen the game, but it's a negative point regardless)
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Ren02: How on earth is PoP easier?
It is easier because the controls are "tight", picture-perfect responsive and the fighting pattern is dependable.

In Witcher II, as much as I can power through fights right now it entirely depends on Quen and overcharged bombs and potions. Enemies randomly hit me or miss me, likewise I sometimes clearly strike my sword through the enemy, but nothing happens, there is no consistency in when I get knocked around, down or away, and enemy high swings will sometimes (not always) hit you while rolling away (and such funkiness).

I think his point was that TW2 is difficult due to problematic/rushed design. Prince of Persia was deliberately designed to be hard.

Doesn't lesser TW2 much (enjoying it a lot), but I concur with some that it's very frustrating unless you a) play it on a relatively easy mode, b) got experience (did it) or c) min/max (if you min/max, it becomes insanely easy, too - just as untested and unbalanced in design).
Post edited June 09, 2011 by KnThrak
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link1264: Simple, in PoP you don't get gang-raped by drowners because the controls aren't slow to respond, the block actually works most of the time, and if you find that the enemies have you completley surrounded you have a move that allows you to vault over an enemy and out of harms way.
Except that this nifty move does not work against the Blue Sand Guards. ;) PoP does have much more responsive controls though.
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link1264: But seriously, you compared one kind of enemy in a game that has many to one kind of enemy in a game that also has many, and quite a few of them are ALOT more annoying than the shield guards.
Yeah, I suppose that's true. I picked the Blue Guards because the fight against them made me quit the game in frustration. The only fight in TW2 that felt similarly obnoxious to me was the Kayran fight but that's a boss fight, they're not comparable.
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link1264: If you think PoP is harder, that is opinion. Different people are better at different types of games. I, for one, don't understand how you can think that, but that doesn't mean you are wrong.

PoP is harder for you, TW2 is keyboard-smashingly frustrating at times for me.
OK, I can agree to that.
And just to clarify, I am not trying to be mean. I realize that my very dry response to your post may have come across as mean-spirited, but I wasn't.
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iSkelzor: His complaint of the drinking animations for potions being too long, for example, made me raise an eyebrow, seeing as his complaint took longer than the animation.
What are you talking about? Of course they’re too long, and, unlike Yahtzee’s review, they are not optional. You have to watch that animation a hundred times over the course of the game and you cannot skip it. Two seconds would be too long.

Anyway, Yahtzee also hated Dragon Age 2, so I’m not sure what those complaints are all about.
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Ren02: In Yahtzee's defense he was NOT fond of DA2.
He's not fond of RPGs, ever.
In fact he hates the genre and most of his reviews about it are simply filled with poor jokes about the (supposedly) poor sexual life of roleplayers.
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link1264: Simple, in PoP you don't get gang-raped by drowners because the controls aren't slow to respond, the block actually works most of the time, and if you find that the enemies have you completley surrounded you have a move that allows you to vault over an enemy and out of harms way.
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Ren02: Except that this nifty move does not work against the Blue Sand Guards. ;) PoP does have much more responsive controls though.
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link1264: But seriously, you compared one kind of enemy in a game that has many to one kind of enemy in a game that also has many, and quite a few of them are ALOT more annoying than the shield guards.
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Ren02: Yeah, I suppose that's true. I picked the Blue Guards because the fight against them made me quit the game in frustration. The only fight in TW2 that felt similarly obnoxious to me was the Kayran fight but that's a boss fight, they're not comparable.
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link1264: If you think PoP is harder, that is opinion. Different people are better at different types of games. I, for one, don't understand how you can think that, but that doesn't mean you are wrong.

PoP is harder for you, TW2 is keyboard-smashingly frustrating at times for me.
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Ren02: OK, I can agree to that.
The combat isn't what makes POP hard. It is the jumping, I don't care how good the controls are, the jumping was still frustrating. Don't remember ever having a problem with the fighting in those games as far as i got.
Reviewer sounds like he is just really bad at video games... And did he say this game was nightmare-ishly long? lol?
Watched the video. He mentioned Malena!!!! ROFL!!!!! I guess lots of people are pissed they didnt get their sexy-time but got arrows flying at em instead...
Asking why exactly they completely hate the witcher and love dragon age over on their forums got me banned for "insulting" them instead of an answer.

Seeing as they would have no reason to silence people about it unless they have something to hide, I think we can take this as a somewhat roundabout confirmation that they are indeed taking bribes from bioware(which is already notorious for employing shills).
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Asehujiko: Asking why exactly they completely hate the witcher and love dragon age over on their forums got me banned for "insulting" them instead of an answer.

Seeing as they would have no reason to silence people about it unless they have something to hide, I think we can take this as a somewhat roundabout confirmation that they are indeed taking bribes from bioware(which is already notorious for employing shills).
Doubt it , considering escapist has at least one Witcher fanboy working there. He made posts about how he found the FIRST Dragon Age boring but really liked Witcher. But I think he just writes the news articles and doesn't review games there.
Post edited June 09, 2011 by marcusmaximus
People still think this guy is funny? He´s essentially just saying the game sucks because he got his ass handed to him. There is absolutely nothing complicated about the meditation menu to anyone with half a brain cell.

Just for starters you have to be incredibly full of yourself to review a game without beating it, or in the case of this review, getting halfway through the first chapter. Brilliant.

Though I will say I very much enjoyed the introduction as I´ve had enough of PC gamer elitists waving their pintsize schlongs around pretending to be superior.
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Vulf: LOL, he plays the game on a laptop and creates a review??!! He doesnt even qualify to be a reviewer. If you are an official reviewer you should have atleast have a good gaming PC. You just cant go blaming the devs for making the game not run well on your 10 year old plagued laptop..
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KnThrak: I think his point was that TW2 is difficult due to problematic/rushed design. Prince of Persia was deliberately designed to be hard.
So the terrible camera in PoP was a deliberate design decision then?