Because what is *popular* is the same as what is *good*. That's *always* the way it works.

Exactly, If something sells millions and millions of copies, its automatically *good* no matter what some guy who hates mainstream games thinks.

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No, but I love Oblivion. Maybe we could agree that different games are different and comparing them is like comparing different kinds of alcohol... by the time you're in deep enough to compare them, you're simply too damn drunk to be objective.

if only it was sandboxed.

i have absolutly no clue why people still do these kind of games.

tube-like story telling, with levels chained together one after another, which is a realict of old times where there just wasnt enough memory and processing power.

i just don't get it. why is this so popular, to not be able to go back to already visited places?
why can't we keep exploring the world after the last main quest?

I think comparing the Witcher 1 and Oblivion is still very very relevant.

Of course, the possible capable competitor with the Witcher 2 is now Skyrim and Diablo 3. I have my doubt, they will have a chance.

Being a conservative gamers, the Witcher 2 fills in my "buying slots" for this year.

I kinda agree

I dont really mind the occational gay character (if it fits the setting) but Bioware games have been forcing the gay characters into the scope, no matter if it fits or not, and that has annoyed me somewhat.

But by bringing it up you have given those same priders your complaining about a platform now. You should have just stayed quiet on the topic and let it slip quietly by with no reference or public notice.

I am still looking forward to Skyrim. Now I'm not stupd I know Elder Scrolls series is on the downward slope from deep RPG (Daggerfall) to cash earner (Oblivion) and will probably end up as some linear action game with light RPG elements with 500 DLC's. That's what makes investors moist around the groin and braindead casual gamers wallets open unfortunately.

But at least for Skyrim they are still supporting PC and giving us mod tools which means given some months modders might make it into a decent game where Bethesda will probably fail. Plus I love sandbox games so any attempt to keep that kinda genre alive is a plus to me.

It won't look as pretty or be as good as W2 but it shouldn't really be compared as it's a quite different style of game.

The Elder Scrolls series is completely different. And to compare or bash them is silly. They have been a PC RPG staple for years; long before the kids who bash them were conceived. Think what you will of Oblivion, but The Elder Scrolls as a series demands respect. Thats like bad mouthing the Ultima series when Morrowind was finally released almost 10 years ago. Blasphemy!

My God... almost 10 years ago lol damn.

I dont really think either of those games is really much of a direct competitor for TW2, aside from the fact they nominally fall somewhere in the RPG spectrum. One is an open ended sandbox that sacrifices story for non-linearity and open endedness, the other is a barely story driven arcade style actioner. There are entirely different audiences for those games, even though there is some overlap with TW2's fanbase.


I think TW2, with its prefab protagonist, compares more closely against Deus Ex :Human Revolution, even though the later is considered an Immersive Sim, the lines between those and RPGs tend to blur easily.
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I dont know why you'd say that. The graphical quality of the Skyrim world is likely to be its strongest point.

They are all RPGs so they will get lumped into the same category. It always happens, dont be surprised to hear Witcher 2 compared to Mass Effect 3 and Deus Ex either.

Well, so was Oblivion, and that was the benchmark for lush environmental graphics for quite a while. And of course the PC modding community made it even better.

Disagree on #2 completely

I dont want modern day politics being forced into my games.
I play games to escape the modern era and issues.

For example,

The Witcher 2 is based off of European fantasy / midevil setting.

Back then women (as displayed in The Witcher and The Witcher 2) were commonly not equal to men in social stature or rights. So I dont want to see some womens lib movement like you would (and do) find in Bioware fantasy settings.

Back then Homosexuality (2 men) was a crime in many places and NOT approved of or accepted. So I dont want to see a gay rights parade in this game (like Bioware games have recently started to push on its veiwers)

Back then it was nobility and Kings and Queens, not a liberal agenda political democracy (as pushed lately in Bioware games).

In real life im a middle of the road centralist (not liberal or conservative), beleive every PERSON whose best suited for a position should get it (male or woman), and beleive the gay community AND THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY should be allowed to practice what they beleive in with out either constantly trying to tread on the others beleifs.

BUT THIS ISNT REAL LIFE, this is fantasy, so let the fantasy play out the way it was created and written! Leave real life political issues for REAL LIFE!

One of the big reasons I was able to walk away from Bioware Single Player games, so easily, after being a devoted fan for so long is they have started to push left wing political agendas in their games on their audience and I simply and honestly didnt appreciate that.

Games (RPGs even more so) are escapism entertainment and you should be able to load these up with out haveing ANY POLITICAL AGENDA being pushed on you and preached at you (and not having something does NOT equal being against something. Easiest way to not address a issue is to not even have the issue there for people to address).

So totally and completely disagree with you on RPGs should convey the moral issues, politics in our real world and genuinely put them into the fantasy world.

RPGs should provide a escape into a different time/location where things are simpler in scope (good and evil, right and wrong) and the real world issues of modern life dont plague you and harrass you while you try and escape for how ever long!

The real world will still be there for you when you come back to reality!

But when Oblivion came out 5 years ago console power was on a par or more powerful than PC hardware at the time. By the time the next generation of consoles arrives in 2014 or so dedicated PC games will be making current gen console games look more like PS1 games.

Edit:: that is if anyone is still making PC games by then :(

Exactly PC modding community is amazing. I would have deleted games like Fallout 3 and Oblivion long ago were it not for some amazing mods.

Skyrim will be same way.....
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