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Jamanticus: In summary, it is very logical to conclude that after the end of TW2, the dragon does not come back to burn down the city. By that time, Philippa would've learned of Geralt's victory over the dragon and ordered it to not waste its time.
Logical...huh...Now you're the one accepting your own opinion as fact. Like Geralt said, it is your guesswork, no solid evidences. And sorry, i only
Furthermore, who knows how long it takes for the dragon to heal. What if it is half a day? A day?

And to Raye,
I hated the order of knights not because i thoguht all of them raped the two sorceresses. I hate them because some of them rape, some other allowed and some others did not allow but did not try to stop others. You should know that something like an order of knights doesnt act separately right? For some to to remain there must have been at least a division there. OTherwise it d be desertion.

"You think it's justice to let everyone in the city die, yes or no?" well i didnt think that
but i think letting the dragon live even if it destroy the city is justice.

I like what you think you could cure dragon on witcher 3 or in my opinion, also possible in pre-witcher 3 (inbetween the timeskip). In fact, I hope so, too. But there is this technique in writing that portrays someone leaving something for the protagonist in order for him to realize that he could have done otherwise - which is a harbinger of some big regret for the protag. I'm just a little worried that is possible.

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Raye: I ran the ending both ways, and I never even thought to check, to be honest. I know it was never an option to lift the curse. Dragon down, went straight to Letho never looked in my inventory. I know i never made inside Philippa's house, so... I assume getting it is a bug cus it ought to still be locked up in that chest which you can only access if you free Philippa rather than rescue Triss.
You the dagger from Ioverth when he's heavily injured as well. It is next to him laying around in pain in the epilogue. Too bad you cant go back to cure the dragon then

Leaving behind the dagger for us to pick up is the kind of technique i mentioned
Post edited June 01, 2011 by iamin7ove
So, you're saying if, say, a marine was to break the law, his entire squad ought to be punished? They are a group, yes, they are intended to fight together and uphold certain ideals, but thy are still human beings, individuals. Sometimes people behave badly, no matter what group they are part of. People who were not responsible for whatever action they comitted should not be held responsible. I know the King Arthur ideal of a chivalrous knightly code of honor is popular, but it was not exactly the way things actually worked. Some knights were good, others were bad, as with any other person.

And as i explained earlier, there was not just one division of knights. There was the Order of the Flaming Rose, yes, but also the Temarian knights, the Nilfgaardians, etc. they all had knights, with different ideals and codes.
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Raye: So, you're saying if, say, a marine was to break the law, his entire squad ought to be punished? They are a group, yes, they are intended to fight together and uphold certain ideals, but thy are still human beings, individuals. Sometimes people behave badly, no matter what group they are part of. People who were not responsible for whatever action they comitted should not be held responsible. I know the King Arthur ideal of a chivalrous knightly code of honor is popular, but it was not exactly the way things actually worked. Some knights were good, others were bad, as with any other person.

And as i explained earlier, there was not just one division of knights. There was the Order of the Flaming Rose, yes, but also the Temarian knights, the Nilfgaardians, etc. they all had knights, with different ideals and codes.
If a marine breaks the law when the whole division was there when he broke it. Yeah

And i only hate that one particular order that had knights did the rape. Didnt say all the knights in existence

Btw, i will be clear. I am on that uphold the belief that death is not a punishment but to prevent more evil done by an individual or to end suffering for the one not being able to find any reason to enjoy life anymore.
In my opinion, punishments should be something much more harsher than death.
Post edited June 01, 2011 by iamin7ove
that's insane.
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Raye: that's insane.
Well the marine unit did not stop the one breaking the law is the reason.
This world is very populous. Why feel sorry for the badguys and the ones who allowed them to live freely?

Geralt could kill a whole village to save a witch in witcher 1 while only 2 or 3 individuals actually did something bad. (The guy with a brother knight and the soldier who raped a woman and...dont remember) The choice was called the lesser evil
That was a favorite choice of mine.
Post edited June 01, 2011 by iamin7ove
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Raye: that's insane.
lol, that's pretty much all that could be said. you just have to accept that some people will never be able to think on your level and stop trading words with them.
But they're not psychic, now are they? How could they know what he intended to do? If it was something long and involved, yes, but if he, I dunno, stabbed some guy and there was no time to react?

I think the confusion here is arising from teh fact that you seem to be under the impression that the knights are all marching around together in one big group at all times, following orders. That's not the way it worked. It was very clear that at the end, they were all broken up and separated from eachother, acting completely on their own. What one did was not necessarily witnessed by his fellow knights, let alone preventable.
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soldiergeralt: lol, that's pretty much all that could be said. you just have to accept that some people will never be able to think on your level and stop trading words with them.
Maybe that how it is...very well
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Raye: But they're not psychic, now are they? How could they know what he intended to do? If it was something long and involved, yes, but if he, I dunno, stabbed some guy and there was no time to react?

I think the confusion here is arising from teh fact that you seem to be under the impression that the knights are all marching around together in one big group at all times, following orders. That's not the way it worked. It was very clear that at the end, they were all broken up and separated from eachother, acting completely on their own. What one did was not necessarily witnessed by his fellow knights, let alone preventable.
Well in the case u mentioned, i wouldnt even consider a crime. Raping, however, just happens to the kind of crime i want to 'prevent' most.

Well the division might not be marching there to loot the town but they at least needed to be in the area for some to be taking their time raping. And letting some units causing trouble is a sin to me. People with authority should be responsible. If they cant, dont be with authority.
Post edited June 01, 2011 by iamin7ove
Well reading a paladin's view is definitely very fascinating. But now let us examine this from a slightly different perspective:
The sorceresses had been plotting against the kings of the terrain AND they had successfully eliminated several heads of state. Like you said, iamin7ove, death as a punishment is occasionally too good for criminals. Why can't the knights whose kings have been murdered *punish* the sorceresses by raping them? Don't they have the *right* to do it?
This is the Middle Ages and the Geneva Convention doesn't apply.
Assault with a deadly weapon, possibly murder, isn't a crime? (I wasn't talking in a war situation before. I was picturing them like out at a bar or something)

and Loc Muinne is large enough with enough buildings and twisty alleys that it is VERY EASY to lose sight of someone like a block away. If Sir Asshole was raping some woman in a back alley while Sir Virtue was a block away and just never saw what happened, why should he be held responsible?
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Ren02: Why can't the knights whose kings have been murdered *punish* the sorceresses by raping them? Don't they have the *right* to do it?
This is the Middle Ages and the Geneva Convention doesn't apply.
Raping is not punishment it is a merely a way to seek pleasure wearing punishment as a mask
Would the knight punish the sorceresses by the same way by raping if they are ugly? NO.
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Raye: Assault with a deadly weapon, possibly murder, isn't a crime? (I wasn't talking in a war situation before. I was picturing them like out at a bar or something)

and Loc Muinne is large enough with enough buildings and twisty alleys that it is VERY EASY to lose sight of someone like a block away. If Sir Asshole was raping some woman in a back alley while Sir Virtue was a block away and just never saw what happened, why should he be held responsible?
"Dont unleash your dogs if they might bite people" is a very good saying.
Dont let your units run around freely if they are gonna commit rape is my saying
Post edited June 01, 2011 by iamin7ove
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soldiergeralt: lol, that's pretty much all that could be said. you just have to accept that some people will never be able to think on your level and stop trading words with them.
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iamin7ove: Maybe that how it is...very well
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Raye: But they're not psychic, now are they? How could they know what he intended to do? If it was something long and involved, yes, but if he, I dunno, stabbed some guy and there was no time to react?

I think the confusion here is arising from teh fact that you seem to be under the impression that the knights are all marching around together in one big group at all times, following orders. That's not the way it worked. It was very clear that at the end, they were all broken up and separated from eachother, acting completely on their own. What one did was not necessarily witnessed by his fellow knights, let alone preventable.
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iamin7ove: Well in the case u mentioned, i wouldnt even consider a crime. Raping, however, just happens to the kind of crime i want to 'prevent' most.

Well the division might not be marching there to loot the town but they at least needed to be in the area for some to be taking their time raping. And letting some units causing trouble is a sin to me. People with authority should be responsible. If they cant, dont be with authority.
you have a sad, distorted view of reality, my friend. maybe i'm too harsh. maybe whatever primitive mindset you have is just a product of your breeding. whatever the case, it's stupid and insane.

group punishment for individual crimes is looked down upon in modern society, and rightly so, because the reasoning behind group punishment is irrational and often fear based. henselt's actions in the game clearly reflect medieval mentality "where there's fire, there's smoke". whereas other characters, including geralt are more enlightened and see that as injustice. "are rape and murder royal virtues of the new order?"
Post edited June 01, 2011 by soldiergeralt
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iamin7ove: Raping is not punishment it is a merely a way to seek pleasure wearing punishment as a mask
Would the knight punish the sorceresses by the same way by raping if they are ugly? NO.
Yeah well, unfortunately all the sorceresses are beautiful. The fact remains that the knights are taking it out on the sorceresses in various ways, raping, cutting off their hands, killing etc. You did not answer my question: don't these knights whose kings were just murdered by the plot of the sorceresses have a *right* to take justice into their own hands? You are willing to kill a townful of people because rape happened in it btw.
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soldiergeralt: group punishment for individual crimes is looked down upon in modern society, and rightly so, because the reasoning behind group punishment is irrational and often fear based. henselt's actions in the game clearly reflect medieval mentality "where there's fire, there's smoke". whereas other characters, including geralt are more enlightened and see that as injustice. "are rape and murder royal virtues of the new order?"
There is wisdom in your words.

Hypothetically, i found who exactily were the people who commits the crime.
Go get rid of them to prevent the future of their bad deeds
The knight refuses to let me kill them cuz it would destroys their rank.
Tough luck...
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Raye: I ran the ending both ways, and I never even thought to check, to be honest. I know it was never an option to lift the curse. Dragon down, went straight to Letho never looked in my inventory. I know i never made inside Philippa's house, so... I assume getting it is a bug cus it ought to still be locked up in that chest which you can only access if you free Philippa rather than rescue Triss.
Actually, I think Iorveth had it in his possession and one of the knights that were going to kill him had taken it. So when I killed the group of knights I looted it.

This was a few steps away before you fight Letho(where all the poker players in Loc Muinne were).

Wonder if I hadnt put the Dragon out of it's misery(what I thought I was doing at the time) maybe I could of broke the curse in the ending or something.

Anyways, have all 16 endings been achieved and are they posted some where?