Posted May 22, 2011
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Posted May 22, 2011
greenfish: I understand your side but here's an interesting read http://www.gog.com/en/forum/the_witcher_2/the_combat_not_that_great/page11
Anyone who doens't understand him or supports his opinion is an imbecile in frenrihr eyes.
This thread is a very good one for reading about gamers opinion on the combat, but what frenrihr is doing is just moaning about nothing really.
takezodunmer2005: Then do what countless adults do everywhere and simply ignore him, and never let yourself get pissed over someone else s crappy behavior. Simply consider the source and move on, the good thing is you're not them right? Anyone who doens't understand him or supports his opinion is an imbecile in frenrihr eyes.
This thread is a very good one for reading about gamers opinion on the combat, but what frenrihr is doing is just moaning about nothing really.
I've said this before in the same thread, the witcher devs didn't improve the combat in witcher 1, it was a user named flash (could be wrong about the name) who created a whole new withcher mod called fcr, which had combat completly revamped.
The Witcher 2's combat is NOTHING like the original game, it's so much more improved, hell it's not even the same engine anymore, aura is long gone.
Post edited May 22, 2011 by greenfish
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Posted May 22, 2011
Well ...there are options in-game....in the swordsmanship tree that enhance parry ...even when enemies are behind you ..
The fact that you have a sword and no shield is why you have to parry and roll ... I dont see what all the bitching is about ..
Enhance parry to its max levels ...along with parry from all directions ..in the swordsmanship tree.. shouldn't have to roll as much if that really annoys you :-P
My character will evade sometimes instead of roll....depends on what buttons you push on the keyboard I think..
The fact that you have a sword and no shield is why you have to parry and roll ... I dont see what all the bitching is about ..
Enhance parry to its max levels ...along with parry from all directions ..in the swordsmanship tree.. shouldn't have to roll as much if that really annoys you :-P
My character will evade sometimes instead of roll....depends on what buttons you push on the keyboard I think..
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Posted May 22, 2011
B3RTLE: Well ...there are options in-game....in the swordsmanship tree that enhance parry ...even when enemies are behind you ..
The fact that you have a sword and no shield is why you have to parry and roll ... I dont see what all the bitching is about ..
Enhance parry to its max levels ...along with parry from all directions ..in the swordsmanship tree.. shouldn't have to roll as much if that really annoys you :-P
My character will evade sometimes instead of roll....depends on what buttons you push on the keyboard I think..
I was talking about dicerolling ( kinda hard to explain ), hell i don't care about rolling in-game ^^The fact that you have a sword and no shield is why you have to parry and roll ... I dont see what all the bitching is about ..
Enhance parry to its max levels ...along with parry from all directions ..in the swordsmanship tree.. shouldn't have to roll as much if that really annoys you :-P
My character will evade sometimes instead of roll....depends on what buttons you push on the keyboard I think..
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Posted May 22, 2011
B3RTLE: Well ...there are options in-game....in the swordsmanship tree that enhance parry ...even when enemies are behind you ..
The fact that you have a sword and no shield is why you have to parry and roll ... I dont see what all the bitching is about ..
Enhance parry to its max levels ...along with parry from all directions ..in the swordsmanship tree.. shouldn't have to roll as much if that really annoys you :-P
My character will evade sometimes instead of roll....depends on what buttons you push on the keyboard I think..
that does not work as well as i want it to. which is why they should experiment with other ways. sure they could leave it but a good dev would experiment with their own things to see if they can make it better. because it does not feel like you have much in the way of fluid control. and why should i have to invest into blocking to make it even remotely useful?The fact that you have a sword and no shield is why you have to parry and roll ... I dont see what all the bitching is about ..
Enhance parry to its max levels ...along with parry from all directions ..in the swordsmanship tree.. shouldn't have to roll as much if that really annoys you :-P
My character will evade sometimes instead of roll....depends on what buttons you push on the keyboard I think..
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Posted May 22, 2011
takezodunmer2005: Then do what countless adults do everywhere and simply ignore him, and never let yourself get pissed over someone else s crappy behavior. Simply consider the source and move on, the good thing is you're not them right?
greenfish: Since the gog mod seems to approve of his behaviour and posting, it seems like ignoring is the only way to go. I've said this before in the same thread, the witcher devs didn't improve the combat in witcher 1, it was a user named flash (could be wrong about the name) who created a whole new withcher mod called fcr, which had combat completly revamped.
The Witcher 2's combat is NOTHING like the original game, it's so much more improved, hell it's not even the same engine anymore, aura is long gone.
OT, My main issue with that engine was the fact that they used a frakkin' sky-box the Sun/moon didn't line up with the shadows, and to a graphic artist..That's simply maddening! But going from the infinity engine (2D) from devving the Aurora (3D) WAS a pretty good feat in and of itself as many others weren't as good! LOL! If you think the Console vs PC gaming controversy's bad, You should've been around for the 2D vs 3D wars! <--Ye-gads I'm old! ;^)
Post edited May 22, 2011 by takezodunmer2005
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Posted May 22, 2011
There is a big difference between the combat being hard and combat being shit. In this game the combat is shit.
Severance had difficult and amazingly fun combat. Witcher 2 is nowhere near that level.
Severance had difficult and amazingly fun combat. Witcher 2 is nowhere near that level.
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Posted May 23, 2011
I guess I'm the only one ITT who actually enjoys the combat and thinks it just needs some minor rebalance to make it so a few talents doesn't make it so damn easy
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Posted May 23, 2011
Gvaz: I guess I'm the only one ITT who actually enjoys the combat and thinks it just needs some minor rebalance to make it so a few talents doesn't make it so damn easy
i think around those lines, im still working on ideas on how to incorporate it tho. the block change is just part of that along with directional bottons to change directions of attacks. it all slowly builds to making a better game overall. but stil lin the end alot of the changes need to be made to the enemies too
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Posted May 23, 2011
kookueb: Accept it people. The combat is - like the Witcher 1 - Still a diceroll. Don't fool yourself. And i don't need comments like : OH! Turn down the difficulty T_T
Bowmangr: Let me guess: Dragon Age 2 fan eh? Please tell me what are the difficulty levels there for then?
Gvaz: I guess I'm the only one ITT who actually enjoys the combat and thinks it just needs some minor rebalance to make it so a few talents doesn't make it so damn easy
Bowmangr: You are not alone. Combat is great. It just needs some minor responsiveness tweaks and possibly an increase in difficulty at the later game stages. Really minor things compared to other game's problems on release. I'm surprised by how many people are whining about combat. Do we really need another button-masher out there? Don't consoles deliver lots and lots of crappy button-mashers the last few years ruining PC gaming in the process?
Before starting to whine, please think about the future. Constructive criticism helps, whining does not.
I sure hope that Cd Projekt Red does not release a Witcher 3 with button-mashing console combat because there were whiners about Wticher 2 combat.
the game has the makings of something great but i feel that it just needs a bit more strategy in some cases.
enemies it just feels like you are going though the same ritual of attack every time. different monsters should IMO each have a different way to tackle. one may be slow but able to bash its way though your defences. so you must roll at the right time. or one may be quick so rolling will do you no good.
that would take too much work to fully implement at this moment tho so i would rather focus on the combat mechanics themselves.
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Posted May 23, 2011
Gvaz: I guess I'm the only one ITT who actually enjoys the combat and thinks it just needs some minor rebalance to make it so a few talents doesn't make it so damn easy
The MAJORITY likes the game and it's combat, that's pretty obvious by now. Anyone who claims the combat is just "shit" without anything concrete is plain retarded or a bioware fanboy in my eyes and I will gladly ignore their petiful life. greenfish: Since the gog mod seems to approve of his behaviour and posting, it seems like ignoring is the only way to go.
I've said this before in the same thread, the witcher devs didn't improve the combat in witcher 1, it was a user named flash (could be wrong about the name) who created a whole new withcher mod called fcr, which had combat completly revamped.
The Witcher 2's combat is NOTHING like the original game, it's so much more improved, hell it's not even the same engine anymore, aura is long gone.
takezodunmer2005: Believe me, this guy is not so bad, when considering the guy who not only posted a major spoiler, but in defiance started posting spoilers in his thread topic! I must admit I was infuriated at first (Major pet-peeve of mine) but after awhile I simply let His threads die... BTW, this is pretty much a self-moderated forum by design. I've said this before in the same thread, the witcher devs didn't improve the combat in witcher 1, it was a user named flash (could be wrong about the name) who created a whole new withcher mod called fcr, which had combat completly revamped.
The Witcher 2's combat is NOTHING like the original game, it's so much more improved, hell it's not even the same engine anymore, aura is long gone.
OT, My main issue with that engine was the fact that they used a frakkin' sky-box the Sun/moon didn't line up with the shadows, and to a graphic artist..That's simply maddening! But going from the infinity engine (2D) from devving the Aurora (3D) WAS a pretty good feat in and of itself as many others weren't as good! LOL! If you think the Console vs PC gaming controversy's bad, You should've been around for the 2D vs 3D wars! <--Ye-gads I'm old! ;^)
I'm happy to hear the forum isn't as facist like gamefaqs, one curseword and they have the right to ban your account.
Wow sounds to me like we enjoy similar games, the infinity engine is a classic piece of art in my book. So many games have steamed from that engine, such a shame we never saw a true fallout 3. In my humble opinion, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is more of a true fallout sequel then betshedas joke of series.
Curious though, did you actually enjoy neverwinter nights or dragon age? Personally I couldn't stand NW or dragon age, but to be fair dragon age 1 seems like a a good game but too many balance issues, don't get me started on the railroad sequel.
Interesting how you mentioned the skybox limit, that's something that never occured to me during witcher 1, the combat however was pretty bad, and I ended up using a combat overhaul mod called "fcr" just to enjoy the game.
What are your thoughts on witcher 2 as a game and the engine from your professional opinion?
Thanks!
Post edited May 23, 2011 by greenfish
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Posted May 23, 2011
Ita really stupid say, if you not like the combat you are bioware fanboy... please... i hate DA2... and its pretty dumb say the mayority like the combat, its like if they are going knocking the players doors and ask them... please, stop with the stupid facts, that are not facts.
We are not talking about having a button masher here... we are talking about the game lacks responsive, lacks fluidity, it seems like when you are surronded (to say an example) you cannot actually do nothing to survive, if you roll you cannot escape (you roll to the enemies feet and keep surrounded), if you block... your block consumes mana, and even if you have all the upgrades that affect block and vigor, you loose all your mana and then you cannot block, and when that happens you are totally screwd you cant even use quen to survive a bit (did i mentioned that you loose all your mana blocking?) and there you are facing like 7 enemies that can do better than you:
They can block forever if they want, they are not stupid to depend on mana to block ;)
They are fast atacking and deadly... yeah they actually know how to fight because they are not taking 5 seconds betwen swings like geralt, even with "fast" atacks.
They do a LOT of damage... they have STRONG atack... how do i put this.... in every damm atack they do.
There are times when you are atacking than the enemies dont take damage, the idiot geralt swings his sword to the air and then the enemies says "oh may god what an idiot" ans counteratack you...
Enemies can actually concentrate on batle they follow you with a defensive stance, they are not running like imbeciles like geralt does all the fucking time.
There are times when you atack then you try to block but geralt seems to have a mental desease or something because the imbecile dont do it, or when you try to evade with his unique stupid maneuver to evade... yes the damm roll.. and he stands still like an idiot only to get hit 1 second later.
OH... and the stupid stun lock... yes YOU CANT DO THAT to your enemies... but they can do it to you...
So the conclucion is... the true warriors are the monsters that you are fighting, and we are using a stupid wannabe-samurai guy that can even handle a mosquito.
We are not talking about having a button masher here... we are talking about the game lacks responsive, lacks fluidity, it seems like when you are surronded (to say an example) you cannot actually do nothing to survive, if you roll you cannot escape (you roll to the enemies feet and keep surrounded), if you block... your block consumes mana, and even if you have all the upgrades that affect block and vigor, you loose all your mana and then you cannot block, and when that happens you are totally screwd you cant even use quen to survive a bit (did i mentioned that you loose all your mana blocking?) and there you are facing like 7 enemies that can do better than you:
They can block forever if they want, they are not stupid to depend on mana to block ;)
They are fast atacking and deadly... yeah they actually know how to fight because they are not taking 5 seconds betwen swings like geralt, even with "fast" atacks.
They do a LOT of damage... they have STRONG atack... how do i put this.... in every damm atack they do.
There are times when you are atacking than the enemies dont take damage, the idiot geralt swings his sword to the air and then the enemies says "oh may god what an idiot" ans counteratack you...
Enemies can actually concentrate on batle they follow you with a defensive stance, they are not running like imbeciles like geralt does all the fucking time.
There are times when you atack then you try to block but geralt seems to have a mental desease or something because the imbecile dont do it, or when you try to evade with his unique stupid maneuver to evade... yes the damm roll.. and he stands still like an idiot only to get hit 1 second later.
OH... and the stupid stun lock... yes YOU CANT DO THAT to your enemies... but they can do it to you...
So the conclucion is... the true warriors are the monsters that you are fighting, and we are using a stupid wannabe-samurai guy that can even handle a mosquito.
Post edited May 23, 2011 by frenrihr