Posted May 20, 2011
Buckethead
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sheepdragon
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Posted May 20, 2011
Buckethead: Taking something that doesn't belong to you is stealing. What would you call piracy then? Borrowing? Bloody idiot
You don't "take" anything when you pirate, you copy it illegally. It's an entirely different crime. Clothes, purses and such are also pirated, in the sense that people make illegal replicas of them and sell them. My opinion about it? Pirates gonna pirate. Trying to stop it is futile. No measure towards it can be taken, because it will only hurt the actual customers. Though you might limit it somewhat towards those who are impatient. But that usually happens with horrible DRM solutions.
Post edited May 20, 2011 by sheepdragon
nissa
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From France
Posted May 20, 2011
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
I make of that : "If you don't want to be ripped off, don't rip off others."
Beyond any religious connotations, it's simple common sense in a gregarious context (living in a society).
If people don't get that, it's sad, for them, because they have more to loose than the ones that they steal from.
Also, I feel good knowing that I don't parasite other people ^.^
I make of that : "If you don't want to be ripped off, don't rip off others."
Beyond any religious connotations, it's simple common sense in a gregarious context (living in a society).
If people don't get that, it's sad, for them, because they have more to loose than the ones that they steal from.
Also, I feel good knowing that I don't parasite other people ^.^
Post edited May 20, 2011 by nissa
hayuto
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Posted May 20, 2011
Hexcaliber: Of course I have you arse; but to paint everyone the same, because a few choose to download everything they can get their hands on is naive and extremely ignorant, the world is not black and white, there are many shades of grey in between. That was my point, not everyone downloading pirate versions will never pay for their software, as you would claim, that is just complete nonsense.
Wait ... what? *Most* of them will never buy anything that can be downloaded for their entire life.
Where i said everyone? I was talking about piracy veterans also, go read suprbay forum to see how they think. /eotmastorofpuppetz
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Posted May 20, 2011
Hexcaliber: Of course I have you arse; but to paint everyone the same, because a few choose to download everything they can get their hands on is naive and extremely ignorant, the world is not black and white, there are many shades of grey in between. That was my point, not everyone downloading pirate versions will never pay for their software, as you would claim, that is just complete nonsense.
hayuto: Wait ... what? *Most* of them will never buy anything that can be downloaded for their entire life.
hayuto: Where i said everyone? I was talking about piracy veterans also, go read suprbay forum to see how they think. /eot I told him how good TW2 was, and it was worth a buy, what did he do?pirate, cause he can. If he had no choice he would buy it. So this " A game pirated is not a lsot sale" argument is BS, not all are, but some surely are, quite a few.
Buckethead: Taking something that doesn't belong to you is stealing. What would you call piracy then? Borrowing? Bloody idiot
sheepdragon: You don't "take" anything when you pirate, you copy it illegally. It's an entirely different crime. Clothes, purses and such are also pirated, in the sense that people make illegal replicas of them and sell them. My opinion about it? Pirates gonna pirate. Trying to stop it is futile. No measure towards it can be taken, because it will only hurt the actual customers. Though you might limit it somewhat towards those who are impatient. But that usually happens with horrible DRM solutions.
Post edited May 20, 2011 by mastorofpuppetz
Moradin27
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Posted May 20, 2011
It's just like stealing a car to find out if you like it. If you don't then you just dump the car, and if you do you go to the dealership to buy it. Do you really think the salesman would be sympathetic that you want to buy it, but you stole it first? No..it's still a crime.
Piracy is similar so there is no excuse to pirate a game. If you want to try it first? That's what demos are for. That is why when you buy a car you can give it a test drive first.
Piracy is similar so there is no excuse to pirate a game. If you want to try it first? That's what demos are for. That is why when you buy a car you can give it a test drive first.
TerriblePurpose
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Posted May 20, 2011
I'll preface this by saying I don't pirate games, never have, and I believe pirating them is wrong. However:
Again, I think piracy is wrong, but using analogies like yours doesn't help our case in pointing out why.
Moradin27: It's just like stealing a car to find out if you like it. If you don't then you just dump the car, and if you do you go to the dealership to buy it. Do you really think the salesman would be sympathetic that you want to buy it, but you stole it first? No..it's still a crime.
Piracy is similar so there is no excuse to pirate a game. If you want to try it first? That's what demos are for. That is why when you buy a car you can give it a test drive first.
This is a horrible analogy. For one thing, many games don't have demos. When they do, many features are locked out/disabled or the demo is so short you don't get a real taste of what the game will be like (See the DA2 demo for a prime example). Finally, in order for your analogy to fit, you'd have to be able to make a perfect copy of the car, which means you don't actually steal it, you copied it. Then, if you go buy it, the dealer has no say about it at all, since you stole nothing from him. All his cars are still on the lot. Piracy is similar so there is no excuse to pirate a game. If you want to try it first? That's what demos are for. That is why when you buy a car you can give it a test drive first.
Again, I think piracy is wrong, but using analogies like yours doesn't help our case in pointing out why.
BreOl72
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Posted May 20, 2011
7thGuardian: ...game developers are payed to do their job when doing it, not after is done and only if it's successful. Programing is one of the top payed jobs and "real good programers" have nothing to worry about "financially speaking".
Ok, so the programmers get paid in advance...from the company they work for...which has -eventually- taken a credit from its bank to do so (cause, even for software developement companys, money doesn`t grow on trees). So the programmers are well out then...just to the point, where the (always well-founded) piracy sets in...`cause now the company the programmers work for, gets no (or not enough) money back from the sales...so the company cannot pay back the credit...so the company gets no further credit (which is needed, cause the lack of incoming money)...cannot pay the programmers in advance again to work on the next game...so the company goes bust...the programmers lost their job (but,...hey...that`s no problem, cause they did a good work, so another company will employ them)...and history repeats itself.
7thGuardian: If games fail the company could get ruined (happened before) but that has nothing to do with Piracy - more like "those responsible for that project".
Oh, this is new... If a company busts, it has absolutely nothing do do with the fact, that piracy reduces the income - they just didn't make their work well enough. (which, as we all know, is to give us their products for free -cause it`s a real insult, to claim money for such faulty programs)
Kaldurenik
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Posted May 20, 2011
Kaldurenik: Piracy is not stealing. Please look up the laws about it.
Anyway did we need another topic about this?
Buckethead: Taking something that doesn't belong to you is stealing. What would you call piracy then? Borrowing? Bloody idiot Anyway did we need another topic about this?
No its not like stealing a car its more like you copy one. Its still breaking a law but there is no car missing. "Piracy" have been around since forever and ever since laws / rights over creation began. People have copied what others have done for a very long time. Its just super easy to do it with digital stuff.
No i dont think piracy is bad overall. The industry is overall making more money every year. If someone pirate something i only have one thing to say to them "If you like it buy it... That way the devs can make more games for you".
Pirates in general download EVERYTHING. If you removed piracy in some magical world with pink clouds and purple unicorns. The sales would still not go up to the pirated copies download numbers. I could go on but yeah. Piracy is not that big of a problem.
RageGT
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Posted May 20, 2011
Coelocanth: I'll preface this by saying I don't pirate games, never have, and I believe pirating them is wrong. However:
Again, I think piracy is wrong, but using analogies like yours doesn't help our case in pointing out why.
LOL. That's about the same I reply when someone compares downloading IMAGE files and filesharing with "stealing a car". Some just can't see the difference and it's not because they are blind, it is just because they refuse to open their eyes!Moradin27: It's just like stealing a car to find out if you like it. If you don't then you just dump the car, and if you do you go to the dealership to buy it. Do you really think the salesman would be sympathetic that you want to buy it, but you stole it first? No..it's still a crime.
Piracy is similar so there is no excuse to pirate a game. If you want to try it first? That's what demos are for. That is why when you buy a car you can give it a test drive first.
Coelocanth: This is a horrible analogy. For one thing, many games don't have demos. When they do, many features are locked out/disabled or the demo is so short you don't get a real taste of what the game will be like (See the DA2 demo for a prime example). Finally, in order for your analogy to fit, you'd have to be able to make a perfect copy of the car, which means you don't actually steal it, you copied it. Then, if you go buy it, the dealer has no say about it at all, since you stole nothing from him. All his cars are still on the lot. Piracy is similar so there is no excuse to pirate a game. If you want to try it first? That's what demos are for. That is why when you buy a car you can give it a test drive first.
Again, I think piracy is wrong, but using analogies like yours doesn't help our case in pointing out why.
archaven
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Posted May 20, 2011
@VAMET
This is GOG.com.. Most of us here PAID for the game. Pointless in arguing about PIRACY here. Do what i did.. Go to the underworld and persuade them to buy ;)
Best Regards.
This is GOG.com.. Most of us here PAID for the game. Pointless in arguing about PIRACY here. Do what i did.. Go to the underworld and persuade them to buy ;)
Best Regards.
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VAMET
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Posted May 20, 2011
Dear archaven
As far as I see, I am not alone :)
Best regards.
Sincerely
archaven: @VAMET
This is GOG.com.. Most of us here PAID for the game. Pointless in arguing about PIRACY here. Do what i did.. Go to the underworld and persuade them to buy ;)
Best Regards.
I was just curious, if I am alone with my opinion about piracy or there are more such as I am. This is GOG.com.. Most of us here PAID for the game. Pointless in arguing about PIRACY here. Do what i did.. Go to the underworld and persuade them to buy ;)
Best Regards.
As far as I see, I am not alone :)
Best regards.
Sincerely
bmt22033
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nissa
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From France
Posted May 20, 2011
I don't know how you manage to infer that "everybody wants the same thing" from the "rule" that I quoted. It's the contrary, and I was the first to admit that I somewhat interpreted the "rule", thanks to some reverse logic :
Do unto others... -> Do not do unto others...
Do you want someone to steal what would rightfully be considered your belongings ?
I doubt that anyone sane in their mind would, it just seems common sense to me.
I might be misunderstanding your writing of course, in which case I apologize.
Do unto others... -> Do not do unto others...
Do you want someone to steal what would rightfully be considered your belongings ?
I doubt that anyone sane in their mind would, it just seems common sense to me.
I might be misunderstanding your writing of course, in which case I apologize.
Post edited May 20, 2011 by nissa