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Yennefer is the cold and cheating one? Care to explicate further?
Post edited June 09, 2011 by Cadenza
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callofstalker: Which one is which(only read the english translated ones)?
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hismastersvoice: Well, the cold, cheating one is of course Yennefer. I think there's no doubt about it, especially if someone read the Shard of Ice (or whatever the English name is) short story. At least Triss seems to genuinely care about Geralt, even if she didn't share every last bit of sensitive information with him.
This was my guess but one can not be sure without reading all the books so i asked, thank you :)
Oh and if i am not mistaken only short story translated to english with yennefer in it is "The Last Wish" in the book with the same name.
Post edited June 09, 2011 by callofstalker
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Cadenza: Yennefer is the cold and cheating one? Care to explicate further?
SPOILERS

In Shard of Ice, she drags Geralt to some god forsaken town only to cheat on him with the local resident sorcerer. When Geralt finds out, she's like "whatever, I do what I like, I'm not sorry". Then in another short story, when they meet after yet another breakup, she makes no secret of the fact they could be together again provided Geralt gives her what she want. Which at that point was a bloody big dragon.

Really, Yen from the short stories is a very different character. Perhaps not very likable, cold, calculating and manipulative but I feel better written than the one from the main saga, where she suddenly goes soft and teary for no apparent reason other than to make sense of Geralt's constant attempts at trying to hook up with that mangrinder.
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Cadenza: Yennefer is the cold and cheating one? Care to explicate further?
When it comes to Geralt and Ciri, she's not completely cold, but even Geralt knows that she learned to be cold from suffering as a child with a hunchback and then growing up as a sorceress. When he met her, she was self-indulgently exploiting a whole town and ended up trying to capture a jinn to make herself even more powerful. Later, she decides that the whole relationship thing is maybe just too complicated, so she leaves Geralt and goes looking for power elsewhere. She has an affair with another wizard because he is useful to her and she wants something from him, which is normal behavior for sorceresses. Yennefer even goes dragon hunting (indirect connection to Saskia), risking the annihilation of a species, to get something she wants. Her loyalty is also just as problematic as Triss's: on two separate occasions, Triss has to save a situation that Yennefer begins but then decides to abandon. Geralt and Ciri give her a reason to learn to be something other than what Philippa and Sile are, but it's still a learning process. If her amnesia lasts until Geralt and Triss catch up with her, we'll be seeing an earlier and harsher version of Yennefer. That will be interesting.

Triss, on the other hand, is not cold. She tries to be like other sorceresses, but it's just not in her. Sile isn't entirely wrong to call her "stupid" because her judgment is really poor sometimes, which makes her an easy target for manipulation. She "seduced" Geralt out of curiosity (except that he seems to have turned up on her doorstep wanting to be seduced) and ended up falling in love with him. She thought it would be harmless, that she could sleep with him once just to see what it was that her friend Yennefer found so fascinating, and she found out that it didn't work that way. That left her split between the two and likely to lose both. She knows it, knows she was wrong, and makes the same mistake again anyway because she lets her feelings get the better of her. Even her political involvement comes out of a desire to make the world better for everyone, not just sorceresses. She can't seem to make it work and could definitely stand to take a lesson or two from Saskia, but if everything worked out perfectly, we wouldn't have a story. "Once upon a time, they all lived happily ever after" is a little short even by today's gaming standards. ;)
That's quite interesting. For obvious reasons, makes me like Triss more now.
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Cadenza: Yennefer is the cold and cheating one? Care to explicate further?
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kyogen: When it comes to Geralt and Ciri, she's not completely cold, but even Geralt knows that she learned to be cold from suffering as a child with a hunchback and then growing up as a sorceress. When he met her, she was self-indulgently exploiting a whole town and ended up trying to capture a jinn to make herself even more powerful. Later, she decides that the whole relationship thing is maybe just too complicated, so she leaves Geralt and goes looking for power elsewhere. She has an affair with another wizard because he is useful to her and she wants something from him, which is normal behavior for sorceresses. Yennefer even goes dragon hunting (indirect connection to Saskia), risking the annihilation of a species, to get something she wants. Her loyalty is also just as problematic as Triss's: on two separate occasions, Triss has to save a situation that Yennefer begins but then decides to abandon. Geralt and Ciri give her a reason to learn to be something other than what Philippa and Sile are, but it's still a learning process. If her amnesia lasts until Geralt and Triss catch up with her, we'll be seeing an earlier and harsher version of Yennefer. That will be interesting.

Triss, on the other hand, is not cold. She tries to be like other sorceresses, but it's just not in her. Sile isn't entirely wrong to call her "stupid" because her judgment is really poor sometimes, which makes her an easy target for manipulation. She "seduced" Geralt out of curiosity (except that he seems to have turned up on her doorstep wanting to be seduced) and ended up falling in love with him. She thought it would be harmless, that she could sleep with him once just to see what it was that her friend Yennefer found so fascinating, and she found out that it didn't work that way. That left her split between the two and likely to lose both. She knows it, knows she was wrong, and makes the same mistake again anyway because she lets her feelings get the better of her. Even her political involvement comes out of a desire to make the world better for everyone, not just sorceresses. She can't seem to make it work and could definitely stand to take a lesson or two from Saskia, but if everything worked out perfectly, we wouldn't have a story. "Once upon a time, they all lived happily ever after" is a little short even by today's gaming standards. ;)
And this sums up the type of women we have today... j/k lol...

I cant wait to see CDPR's version of Yennefer, i hope they do it well...

In any case was in another forum and someone mentioned Yennefer in future sequels is probably a close resemblance to Morrigan in Dragon Age lol, i dunno if its good thing or a bad thing if it does happen...
Yeah, I guess Yennefer is a bit like Morrigan. There's a lot going on under the surface, but the surface is cold and manipulative. That's fair. Yennefer also always has her reasons for doing what she does--i.e. if it's Ciri or Geralt, she'll always protect the girl she more or less adopts as her own, but that's normal parenting behavior. I'm looking forward to seeing how they reintroduce her...in a few years, obviously.
Whats most worrying is that Witcher 3 will end up like Witcher 1 where Shani's route has no impact on subsequent sequels. No doubt there will probbaly be 2 seperate routes for Triss and Yennefer(much like Iorveth and Roche), theres gonna be a lot of rage if Yennefer's route literally doesnt carry forward to TW4. Oh well maybe im just thinking too far, hopefully there will be TW4 and TW5. Yennefer could use at least 2 sequels dedicated to her since she is as important a companion as Triss. Not to mention theres Ciri...
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deathcoy: Whats most worrying is that Witcher 3 will end up like Witcher 1 where Shani's route has no impact on subsequent sequels. No doubt there will probbaly be 2 seperate routes for Triss and Yennefer(much like Iorveth and Roche), theres gonna be a lot of rage if Yennefer's route literally doesnt carry forward to TW4. Oh well maybe im just thinking too far, hopefully there will be TW4 and TW5. Yennefer could use at least 2 sequels dedicated to her since she is as important a companion as Triss. Not to mention theres Ciri...
Well, Triss says she's prepared to help Geralt find Yennefer because she owes her that, so whatever narrative divisions they plan may not be that straightforward. And yeah, Ciri. She loves them both (and can get away with it, unlike Geralt), so the folks at CDPR have their work cut out for them.
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deathcoy: Whats most worrying is that Witcher 3 will end up like Witcher 1 where Shani's route has no impact on subsequent sequels. No doubt there will probbaly be 2 seperate routes for Triss and Yennefer(much like Iorveth and Roche), theres gonna be a lot of rage if Yennefer's route literally doesnt carry forward to TW4. Oh well maybe im just thinking too far, hopefully there will be TW4 and TW5. Yennefer could use at least 2 sequels dedicated to her since she is as important a companion as Triss. Not to mention theres Ciri...
Amazing... you are worrying about Witcher 4 already.
And supporting some sort of emotional blackmail of CDPR because someone/somewhere THINKS they might not do the setting and the characters justice in the future.
I suppouse with a track history of failures on CDPR behalf that would be valid, but they are yet to fail (at least in my opinion).
In other words you are turning this into another social.bioware.com and EXPECTING fan service?
Post edited June 09, 2011 by Ebon-Hawk
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xaemar: She's not my type... I prefer no make-up and cuter... And for the character design in general, I think Japanese are miles ahead Americans / Europeans in video games, comics, etc.
While I agree that contemporary Japanese art is amazing, most European Character design and concept artists are on par with their Japanese contemporaries..Most recent European RPG worlds offer a more authentic and realistic approach than most Japanese and American efforts. Whereas the Japanese are more stylistic in their approach in the Neo-Euro style, the American approach (Again, most) is both the same, (Neo-Euro style) with a bit-more superficial style..

In my opinion of course.
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xaemar: She's not my type... I prefer no make-up and cuter... And for the character design in general, I think Japanese are miles ahead Americans / Europeans in video games, comics, etc.
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takezodunmer2005: While I agree that contemporary Japanese art is amazing, most European Character design and concept artists are on par with their Japanese contemporaries..Most recent European RPG worlds offer a more authentic and realistic approach than most Japanese and American efforts. Whereas the Japanese are more stylistic in their approach in the Neo-Euro style, the American approach (Again, most) is both the same, (Neo-Euro style) with a bit-more superficial style..

In my opinion of course.
You're right that most of the time, Europeans are more realistic and I like this as well as the more opposite, eccentric approach of Japaneses. But I just don't like American approach, maybe because I'm spoiled by living near United States.

And anyway, even if europeans, americans and japanese, for the majority, have different, distinctive styles, everywhere in the world, you'll find unique and beautiful art. For example, The Diary of Tortov Roddle and Atama Yama are both Japanese animations with unique style, but more reminiscent of Europe than Japan. And Americans, in video games, made beautiful games like Limbo. And Europeans with Machinarium...

But still, I don't like that much the character design of "The Witcher 2" and I don't hate it either, it just seems a bit bland to me...
you guys talk of Yeneffer as if she were part of the game. She might be on the books, but so far I only know her through flashbacks.

At this point any speculation is pointless since we don't know how CDPR will portray her character in the game and how faithful, if at all, they will be to the books;

We'll see when TW3 comes out, but until then, I still prefer my Triss....




BTW, does anybody know were can I find the music that is played in the Nilfgardian camp, in CHP3. Is not in the official soundtrack nor in the GoG bonus tracks.
It's a very dark, melancholic theme, and at the same time exiting. it suited my mood perfectly when I was slaying the scumbags to get to triss.
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skylineR390: you guys talk of Yeneffer as if she were part of the game. She might be on the books, but so far I only know her through flashbacks.

At this point any speculation is pointless since we don't know how CDPR will portray her character in the game and how faithful, if at all, they will be to the books;

We'll see when TW3 comes out, but until then, I still prefer my Triss....

BTW, does anybody know were can I find the music that is played in the Nilfgardian camp, in CHP3. Is not in the official soundtrack nor in the GoG bonus tracks.
It's a very dark, melancholic theme, and at the same time exiting. it suited my mood perfectly when I was slaying the scumbags to get to triss.
Its a pretty realistic assumption that they will try to remain faithful to the books. They've been doing well at it so far, I don't see why they would stop now.
I actually like Morrigan a lot but for some reason I am really not liking Yennefer but that's just based on what has been said here so far.