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Posted September 05, 2011
I burned my GOG copy on 3 dvds. I also printed a DVD cover from this thread: http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/unofficial_dvd_covers_list

http://i.cubeupload.com/4clUB0.jpg this one to be exact.

The third dvd has the manual and extra stuff stored. I also printed pretty Witcher 2 pictures on the dvds so it's all nice to look at :p

I now have a physical copy, even though I bought it digitally. I could make myself 10 physical copies if I felt like it. Hence I prefer the GOG way.
Posted September 06, 2011
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Ebon-Hawk: While DRM was removed with the first patch some DRM drivers may remain from the original installation.
Basically you are installing DRM then removing it, but you might be removing DRM checks from the game and not DRM drivers from the system.
The DRM on TW2 retail neither requires nor installs any drivers (I use Total Uninstall to monitor all software installations and so can be sure on this). All you have to do is apply the patches in order after install (and before running the game) and you'll never have to deal with online activation (the PC I installed TW2 on has never been connected to the Internet).

It is worth noting that the retail price for TW2 has dropped since launch by about 20-25% while the digital price hasn't (with the exception of occasional sales like GOG's 40% off during GamesCon).

On the other hand, the GOG release does include a couple of items not present in the retail (non-collector) version like artworks and the artbook. Whether they make up for the (not insignificant) price premium is another matter.
Posted September 07, 2011
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deoren: Can you confirm that the installation was done without an active network connection? Iow, the network cable was pulled and it wasn't previously installed?
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Kleetus: He doesn't have Internet at his house.

He downloaded the patches from my PC to his USB flash drive.

And as far as I know, he installed the game then patched it.
Sweet! Thanks for the confirmation. Sounds like I'll be picking up a retail copy also then.
Posted September 07, 2011
just an update i bought it from GoG and have been enjoying it! havent played too much, been spending more time tweaking (or at least reading about it) as this is the first real game I got on this rig.

The text is a little small to play on my TV, but doable. Monitor is coming in the mail tomorrow.... Thanks everyone
Posted September 12, 2011
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Ebon-Hawk: While DRM was removed with the first patch some DRM drivers may remain from the original installation.
Basically you are installing DRM then removing it, but you might be removing DRM checks from the game and not DRM drivers from the system.
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AstralWanderer: The DRM on TW2 retail neither requires nor installs any drivers (I use Total Uninstall to monitor all software installations and so can be sure on this). All you have to do is apply the patches in order after install (and before running the game) and you'll never have to deal with online activation (the PC I installed TW2 on has never been connected to the Internet).

It is worth noting that the retail price for TW2 has dropped since launch by about 20-25% while the digital price hasn't (with the exception of occasional sales like GOG's 40% off during GamesCon).

On the other hand, the GOG release does include a couple of items not present in the retail (non-collector) version like artworks and the artbook. Whether they make up for the (not insignificant) price premium is another matter.
Because DRM is always completely transparent and detectable because you say so right?
Let me know when you are back to Earth :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM
Post edited September 12, 2011 by Ebon-Hawk
Posted September 13, 2011
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Ebon-Hawk: Because DRM is always completely transparent and detectable because you say so right?
Let me know when you are back to Earth :)
Driver and service installs are easy to detect (and easy to prevent) with appropriate security software.

However if you wish to prove you know better, here (12.7 KB) is the installation log for TW2 on my system (including patches up to 1.3 - as noted previously I patched after install so did not run any online activation). Feel free to let everyone know if you find a driver or rootkit in there...
Posted September 14, 2011
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Ebon-Hawk: Because DRM is always completely transparent and detectable because you say so right?
Let me know when you are back to Earth :)
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AstralWanderer: Driver and service installs are easy to detect (and easy to prevent) with appropriate security software.

However if you wish to prove you know better, here (12.7 KB) is the installation log for TW2 on my system (including patches up to 1.3 - as noted previously I patched after install so did not run any online activation). Feel free to let everyone know if you find a driver or rootkit in there...
You did not bother to read the link and all other associated resources did you?
This means that you are either very trustworthy of software logs and their accuracy, or you work for Sony :)

I have no interest or desire of arguing pro or against this, I have simply provided a decent "starting point" resource discussing the extend to which DRM can integrate itself with your system..
I leave the final decision up to the people who are purchasing any such software...
Posted September 14, 2011
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Ebon-Hawk: You did not bother to read the link and all other associated resources did you?
This means that you are either very trustworthy of software logs and their accuracy, or you work for Sony :)
I don't trust anything without verification, and yes I did check the Wikipedia article. I do have firsthand experience of SecuROM's media check (again, not to be confused with the online activation that TW2 retail used initially) and the hassle it can cause - it is however not a rootkit.
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Ebon-Hawk: I have no interest or desire of arguing pro or against this, I have simply provided a decent "starting point" resource discussing the extend to which DRM can integrate itself with your system..
You made an allegation without the technical proof to back it up. I've provided evidence to the contrary and that is available to anyone else who cares to check it (for as long as uploading.com keeps the file online).

Had you chosen to make a similar allegation about the original Witcher (the retail version used TAGES disc checking) then you would have been on stronger ground, since that installed 2 drivers which were not deleted by the 1.5 patch (which removed the media check). However these were not hidden in any way (they could be deleted like a normal file) and could not therefore constitute a rootkit by any reasonable definition.

As far as TW2 retail is concerned, anyone who purchases it need not worry about drivers, "rootkits" or online activation as long as they download and apply the patches before running it.
Post edited September 14, 2011 by AstralWanderer
Posted September 14, 2011
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AstralWanderer: Had you chosen to make a similar allegation about the original Witcher (the retail version used TAGES disc checking) then you would have been on stronger ground, since that installed 2 drivers which were not deleted by the 1.5 patch (which removed the media check). However these were not hidden in any way (they could be deleted like a normal file) and could not therefore constitute a rootkit by any reasonable definition.

As far as TW2 retail is concerned, anyone who purchases it need not worry about drivers, "rootkits" or online activation as long as they download and apply the patches before running it.
Amusingly and contrary to popular believe not everyone on the internet is after your blood.
Also you might want to check out the definition of "allegation"

All I have done was pointed out that DRM is and has been an issue for quite some time in a vast number of video games (expending on my original quote available above) and then provided the link with technical examples. At no time have I provided list of products effected or issues experienced... (nor have I accused Witcher 2 of being one of them).

My note was intended to add constructive comments to this thread in which an OP was discussing a choice between DRM and non DRM copy. Then you decided to defend DRM, its either that or you did not read or get my original message and decided to start an argument over completely different matter...

Last but not least your line of thinking seem to be misplaced on this website. There is a reason why Gog.com was created and why it offer DRM free software (a position they champion quite strongly wherever they can)… that in itself (when reviewed with the previous link I have provided) should be enough of a proof for any argument you may want to conjure on the subject…
Post edited September 14, 2011 by Ebon-Hawk
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