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Posted May 25, 2011
@mrclb
It seems it was confirmed a few times at the official site in the comment area of the community page:
http://www.gog.com/en/forum/the_witcher_2/the_witcher_2_patch_1_1/post266

@eRe4s3r
Yeah, that's a good question too!
Posted May 25, 2011
thanks for the info mitcharts, will have to wait a bit longer then :)
Posted May 25, 2011
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Louro999: But I hate 16:9 on a PC monitor and therefore my monitor is 4:3... like most of PC users.
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StingingVelvet: 16:9 is the most popular according to the latest Steam survey. 16:10 is right behind that. Honestly 4:3 monitors haven't even been commonly sold in 5+ years, it's old technology.

That said I am not disagreeing with you that they should support it, just your assertion that 4:3 is the majority. It is by far not the majority, and pretty outdated. Also, to be blunt, doesn't the fact that a PC exclusive is only supporting 16:9 out of the gate prove that this is not a console boogeyman issue?
I am sorry to say this, but not everyone goes out of there way to purchase a brand spanking new monitor every year just because the aspect ratio is better. I have had this monitor for 5+ years, and will only replace it if it breaks down. Now so far it has done bloody well to keep going this long, and I am hoping it will hold out for another 5+ years. A freind of mine was using a similair monitor which was bought on the same day as mine, and his gave out about 1 year ago, so I know that this one will at some point. I just dont see the point in wasting money on something when what I am already using works perfectly.


And after reading the link Mitcharts posted, we will be waiting a while for a fix :( So again I will have to wait until at least june/july before I can even play this game. You have no idea how much I regret pre-ordering this game when I cant even friggin play it till this aspect ratio is fixed :(
Post edited May 25, 2011 by Denezan
Posted May 25, 2011
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Louro999: But I hate 16:9 on a PC monitor and therefore my monitor is 4:3... like most of PC users.
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StingingVelvet: 16:9 is the most popular according to the latest Steam survey. 16:10 is right behind that. Honestly 4:3 monitors haven't even been commonly sold in 5+ years, it's old technology.

That said I am not disagreeing with you that they should support it, just your assertion that 4:3 is the majority. It is by far not the majority, and pretty outdated. Also, to be blunt, doesn't the fact that a PC exclusive is only supporting 16:9 out of the gate prove that this is not a console boogeyman issue?
16:10 = 40 %

16:09 = 31 %

4:3 and 5:4 - the fix maybe is valid to 4:3 and 5:4 = 22 % - 5:4 only is 13 %

1024 x 768
5.64%
-0.81%

1152 x 864
1.10%
-0.04%

1280 x 960
1.02%
-0.05%

1280 x 1024
13.24%
-0.39%

1600 x 1200
0.95%
+0.05%

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1360 x 768
1.39%
-0.07%

1366 x 768
5.48%
-0.69%


1600 x 900
3.88%
+0.04%


1920 x 1080
21.14%
+1.75%

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1280 x 800
4.21%
-0.96%

1440 x 900
9.31%
-0.19%

1680 x 1050
19.64%
+1.62%

1920 x 1200
7.60%
+0.24%

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http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution
Post edited May 25, 2011 by Oritxupolite
Posted May 25, 2011
I am using a cad-proof (means 0 distortion) and print proof (all color ranges 1:1 to print) 24" CRT at 1600x1200 (it can go way higher though ,p) for nearly 5 years now as well, and when you look at lcd's and their hilarious black point value and what they call colors nowadays you'd never trade this screen for anything in the world. (I am 3d-artist )

In fact, when this screen displays black the room is pitch black. When i do that on my 16:10 lcd you can read a book. Whoever called this the "superior" technology needs to be visited by a nekkar.
Posted May 25, 2011
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StingingVelvet: 16:9 is the most popular according to the latest Steam survey. 16:10 is right behind that. Honestly 4:3 monitors haven't even been commonly sold in 5+ years, it's old technology.

That said I am not disagreeing with you that they should support it, just your assertion that 4:3 is the majority. It is by far not the majority, and pretty outdated. Also, to be blunt, doesn't the fact that a PC exclusive is only supporting 16:9 out of the gate prove that this is not a console boogeyman issue?
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Oritxupolite: 16:10 = 40 %

16:09 = 31 %

4:3 and 5:4 - the fix maybe is valid to 4:3 and 5:4 = 22 % - 5:4 only is 13 %
He said 4:3 was the most popular. He was wrong. I don't need you to copy over the page's facts to back me up, thanks.
Posted May 25, 2011
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eRe4s3r: I am using a cad-proof (means 0 distortion) and print proof (all color ranges 1:1 to print) 24" CRT at 1600x1200 (it can go way higher though ,p) for nearly 5 years now as well, and when you look at lcd's and their hilarious black point value and what they call colors nowadays you'd never trade this screen for anything in the world. (I am 3d-artist )

In fact, when this screen displays black the room is pitch black. When i do that on my 16:10 lcd you can read a book. Whoever called this the "superior" technology needs to be visited by a nekkar.
tehe, I'm 100% with you, even down to the black display. I have a keyboard with a wonderful amber back light on all the keys, I bought it when my my main monitor was a 21" CRT and the back light was greatly needed. Now my main monitor is a 24" LCD the keyboard back light is worthless, drowned out by the residual light from the LCD.

Now, don't get me wrong, my LP2475 is a quality LCD that I use every day, 16:10 of course. It is not certified to the level of eRe4s3r's CRT but it has been calibrated with an Eye 1 so the colour space is close enough to standard for my needs and 90% of the time it full-fills these needs. The remaining 10% of the time, well, I just know the better choice is to dig out the old CRT - the boost in colour and contrast and depth has to be seen to be believed. Usually I just make do, the CRT is heavy and desk space at a premium, but sometimes and especially for some games, I know the difference the CRT will make is going to be worth the effort.

TWitcher2 is one of the those games and reading about "today's" patch I hurried over to see if it included support for the required 4:3 ratio, planning a new desk arrangement I searched. Sadly, no luck.

So, TWitcher2 play is back on hold. Maybe I'll give in to temptation and risk never seeing the game at its full potential, or maybe I will wait for the 4:3 patch - or the release of an affordable 16:10 OLED monitor, which ever comes first ;-)
Posted May 25, 2011
However, there is a BIG difference between something that is less popular and something that is no longer used. It's a shame that TW2 support 16:9 aspect ratio only.

In my case, this failure was cemented the company in terms of buying the next titles. I thought that the bugs in TW1 was coincidence, since TW1 was their first major title but now I simple can't find justification for them.

It's like to create a vehicle only for people up to 180 cm high.
Posted May 25, 2011
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shadowguard: However, there is a BIG difference between something that is less popular and something that is no longer used. It's a shame that TW2 support 16:9 aspect ratio only.

In my case, this failure was cemented the company in terms of buying the next titles. I thought that the bugs in TW1 was coincidence, since TW1 was their first major title but now I simple can't find justification for them.

It's like to create a vehicle only for people up to 180 cm high.
I agree completely with this. Usually when making games, they make sure that it is available to play for everyone, not just a select few. The original witcher I am unsure if it was always available with every aspect ratio, but I do know that the version on gog works for me, and I can play it just fine. It is suprising that a company would only provide for so many people, but leave out a lot of people as well. Usually when a game is made, it is available to play for everyone, with every resolution. To leave some people hanging is a poor way to make a good impression. I know if another game like this comes out, I wont pre-order it thats for sure. Not until I know what I will be getting
Post edited May 25, 2011 by Denezan
Posted May 25, 2011
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ecat: So, TWitcher2 play is back on hold. Maybe I'll give in to temptation and risk never seeing the game at its full potential, or maybe I will wait for the 4:3 patch - or the release of an affordable 16:10 OLED monitor, which ever comes first ;-)
You have no idea how long i've been saying that to myself, Oleds were announced, what, 2004 ? ;) Now we got maybe 5 prototype screens which go for 1000$ upwards

But its true that oleds should fix the "polarization light leakage" (which is what taints the color values) of todays lcd panels and create an image that is sharper and has more contrast than anything ever before. Since each pixel color emits its own light, theres absolutely 0 ghosting or lag.

But damnit, that technology is not coming fast enough
Posted May 25, 2011
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eRe4s3r: You have no idea how long i've been saying that to myself, Oleds were announced, what, 2004 ? ;) Now we got maybe 5 prototype screens which go for 1000$ upwards

But its true that oleds should fix the "polarization light leakage" (which is what taints the color values) of todays lcd panels and create an image that is sharper and has more contrast than anything ever before. Since each pixel color emits its own light, theres absolutely 0 ghosting or lag.

But damnit, that technology is not coming fast enough
Just been checking on the UK price of the Sony PVM-2541 !!

So, it's only 16:9, I may just be able to talk myself into the compromise if it avoids LCD eye bleed, and you need a pro calibrator as the brightness shifts. Of course there is still the issue of the £5k asking price, before tax! Still too expensive for me, even to play TWitcher2 ;-)

I'd drop 1k on one tomorrow given the chance, my 1st PC cost more than that. 2k would be pushing it, but even so, I'm sick to the back teeth of the current display tech. and the way we have all willingly allowed ourselves to be compromised into fashion victims, lol.
Posted May 26, 2011
Ok so to the people saying 4:3 is not popular.

Do you know what OS is the most popular ? Windows XP ? Windows Vista/7 ? Linux ?

Of course, Vista/7 cause they are under abusive exclusivity charts, which means that when you buy a new computer, you get Vista/Seven.
Therefore casual PC users all have Vista/Seven, while people who works on computer or are simply addicted to PC, prefer XP over Vista because XP is clearly the best windows with the less CPU performance required., and people with even more skills on computer pick Linux over XP.

That goes the same for 4:3 or 16:9, most people are only casual PC users and have 16:10, but people who code programs, who play RTS, and etc, for most of them, prefer 4:3 over 16:9 cause 4:3 is more comfortable for most PC games or most PC activities, or simply, for Mouse using with a square shaped mouse carpet.

So of course you can claim everywhere that 16:9 is the most popular among PC users, but it is definitly not the most popular for people spending much time on PC activities.

And since this game can't be played with 4:3 ratio and is clearly unplayable with 4:3 resolution unless you stick your nose to the screen, they HAD to print it on the cover of the game, cause it is not written anywhere that you need a 16:9 monitor to enjoy the game.
I purchased a game I cannot play. I am not even sure this is legal not mentioning it on the cover.
Post edited May 26, 2011 by Louro999
Posted May 26, 2011
You know how pissed I would be if 16:10 and 4:3 got a patch but 5:4 would be left out? D:

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Posted May 26, 2011
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Katiilein: You know how pissed I would be if 16:10 and 4:3 got a patch but 5:4 would be left out? D:

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Oh dont even go there you evil swine lol. That is the ratio I use if I am not mistaken. So if that got left out, I would literally have to pay for a ticket to poland just so I can kick some serious ass until it gets sorted :P
Post edited May 26, 2011 by Denezan
Posted May 26, 2011
The 1.1 Patch won't include other than the 16:9 supports. And the flawless widescreen hack doesn't support 1.1 Patch yet. I guess we will have to wait for some months maybe to get a all monitor supports.
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