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Posted June 06, 2011
Explain it.

--What happened to Alvin?

--What happened to Shani, assuming you wanted to start a family with her, etc.?

--Who was the (apparent) witcher who attacked the king in the final cinematic, and to what degree is this explained in the sequel?


Thanks.

EDIT: WHOA. I just read the "Speculation about Alvin" section the witcher wikia, and brix were [excreted rectally].

What a downer!! Not drowner, just a downer. Sorry, Alvin! I still want to know what was up with the final cinematic, though.
Post edited June 06, 2011 by fjdgshdkeavd
Posted June 06, 2011
SPOILERS:

Yeah the Alvin stuff is really cool. Apparently if you go back and replay Chapter 4 and choose different responses in the "Alvin" quest (like your advice about what he should do with his gift, and whether you encourage him to become a witcher or a knight), then the Grandmaster has different dialogue for you in the epilogue that references what you told Alvin before. Pretty cool.

Also if you replay Chapter 5 with this knowledge then the first time you meet the grandmaster the dialogue takes on a whole new meaning.

I do not know what happens with Shani; from what I hear she is not in the second game so I guess it sort of assumes you picked Triss? Haven't started the second yet so I don't know for sure.

As for the ending cinematic, I was also slightly confused, but I think it's supposed to be mysterious. The assassin appears to be a witcher, but he's definitely not one that we've met. Since the second game has the subtitle "Assassins of Kings" I assume that it's going to follow up on this. I'm looking forward to it!
Posted June 06, 2011
Shani is not in the 2nd game. unless she is added in DLC or expansion. They should have had her in there for at least the prolog if you choose her in witcher 1 though. i doubt she will be back because it looks like they are going in a Triss vs Yennefer direction for witcher 3.

And with Alvin, more proof is in Chapter 1 during one of the side quest you meet the king of the wild hunt. One of the dialog option lead to him saying that due to geralt coming back to life, he is owed and will claim the soul of a traveler through time, who is someone he cares about. Then after the final battle here come the King of the Wild hunt for a soul.
Posted June 06, 2011
Thanks, guys!! :) :)

dmljr, sounds like you played Witcher 2. Was the attempted assassination at the end of Witcher 1 explained? Spoilers welcome.
Posted June 07, 2011
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fjdgshdkeavd: Thanks, guys!! :) :)

dmljr, sounds like you played Witcher 2. Was the attempted assassination at the end of Witcher 1 explained? Spoilers welcome.
Spoilers NOT welcome!

I visit the Witcher (1) section of GoG pretty regularly and try to answer questions if I can (other's beat me to it here) but I would be very unhappy to accidentally stumble onto Witcher 2 plot in this forum; haven't played it yet, haven't read any reviews or previews to avoid spoiling the plot, am very much looking forward to playing it, can't he just PM you if you need to know?
Post edited June 07, 2011 by Matchstickman
Posted June 07, 2011
Yeah, Witcher 1 spoilers (with a warning tag) are OK here, but if you have spoiler questions about Witcher 2 it's best to post them over in the Witcher 2 forums.
Posted June 07, 2011
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Waltorious: Yeah the Alvin stuff is really cool. Apparently if you go back and replay Chapter 4 and choose different responses in the "Alvin" quest (like your advice about what he should do with his gift, and whether you encourage him to become a witcher or a knight), then the Grandmaster has different dialogue for you in the epilogue that references what you told Alvin before. Pretty cool.
Too bad it doesn't have any real consequences.
Posted June 07, 2011
Argh, sorry. Won't do that again.

A little more polite would be nice, though, Matchstick.
Posted June 07, 2011
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Paradoks: Too bad it doesn't have any real consequences.
True, but it was still a nice touch. Plenty of the other choices in the game have real consequences so I was willing to forgive this one in deference to the story.
Posted June 08, 2011
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Matchstickman: Spoilers NOT welcome!
Then stay out of this thread. Not that hard.


Alvin was the weakest part of the story for me. There really never seems like much development between him and Geralt to get the kind of fanaticism that turns him into that psychopath, and his motivations don't really make sense. I think you could have dropped that whole storyline and still had it turn out something worthwhile, even if it was with a more traditional kind of plot element.
Post edited June 08, 2011 by nondeplumage
Posted June 08, 2011
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nondeplumage: Then stay out of this thread. Not that hard.
I now know to stay out of this thread (Unless say, someone replies to me) but this isn't the Witcher 2 section of the Forum and anyone who has not read this as it has been updating and looks in here say, a month later, does not and the 'damage' may already be done by the time they see you are discussing the Witcher 2 Spoilers (I don't care about Witcher 1 Spoilers, that you expect in the Witcher 1 Section).

@fjdgshdkeavd
Sorry man, didn't read it as impolite, a little clipped maybe but it's not shouting at you and it's not degrading you, apologies if you took it that way.
Posted June 08, 2011
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nondeplumage: Alvin was the weakest part of the story for me.
I'm still trying to figure out how I feel about it. I can buy his abnormal psychological development, simply because Alvin was bounced around so much and never had a proper home:

He saw his mother killed, then he lived with the witch, then he lived with the reverend, then he lived in the hospital, then he lived with Shani (or Triss), then he got kidnapped, then he lived with someone else who died, then he followed Geralt around, then he (presumably) teleported back in time and was homeless again.

But I can't really buy the way the game handled it. Like too many other modern works of art, it retreated into ambiguity to the point that the ending was more a Rorschach test than a conclusion.
Posted June 08, 2011
It made so little sense to me that when you see him dead at the end with his hand stretched out holding the medallion, I was like WTF is he holding, why is this significant? And then Geralt points it out, and I just shrugged.

But earlier in the game, the second time Alvin disappears, it seems so unnatural for Triss to say "he could be anywhere in time and space" when last time he just disappeared to another town. and nothing was mentioned about being able to go through time too.

If the game had been nothing but trying to solve the mystery of Alvin, I probably wouldn't have cared much for it at all. As it is, the rest of the game is so fantastic that I can overlook this part of the story.
Posted June 08, 2011
There's considerably more to Alvin than just some kid who's the victim of a messed-up childhood.

He is a Source. That means he has tremendous magical powers, and he is a conduit for prophecies and visions. These are more dangerous to his sanity than his busted-up childhood could ever be. That's what Shani can't quite grasp, and what Triss gets so upset about if you send him to live with Shani.

Not that Triss's tutelage does him a drowner's arse worth of good: he learns that he hates book learning and becomes a little arsonist. Later, if you ask Triss about the Grandmaster, she says she has no idea where he learned his magic.

There are foreshadowings all over the game, not just when you talk to Alvin in Act 4. In Act 1, the King of the Wild Hunt practically gives away the ending. In Act 4, the local kids will tell you that Alvin does time traveling.
Posted June 08, 2011
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cjrgreen: Later, if you ask Triss about the Grandmaster, she says she has no idea where he learned his magic.
She says he may be a Source since he never went to Hogwarts. The clues are all over, but he's still a walking plot hole.
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