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Posted September 25, 2010
I've started 5 campaigns, and in each one I flew into the ground on mission 1. Exactly the same as I used to do when the game was new.

Oh, well, I guess there's an 'easy' setting... ...it's fun anyway.
Posted September 27, 2010
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Wulfc: I've started 5 campaigns, and in each one I flew into the ground on mission 1. Exactly the same as I used to do when the game was new.
Oh, well, I guess there's an 'easy' setting... ...it's fun anyway.
Sounds like your airplanes are too sensitive to the touch due to very high FPS. Two things can fix the problem.

One is download a glide wrapper and terrain such as Promise land 1 or 2 to increase the work load on your CPU, or Two, use the Setspeed.exe that GOG has included in the RB3D install to slow the game down. When you get extremely high FPS, the airplanes become highly sensitive, and therefore very hard to control.
Posted September 27, 2010
Sounds like your airplanes are too sensitive to the touch due to very high FPS. Two things can fix the problem.
Hmm... interesting... I was ready to put this down to my own inability to fly the thing, but you may have something - but in the wrong direction! I already installed HASP, and now FRAPS is reporting I'm only getting about a dozen FPS at best! It doesn't seem to matter what I do, either, even a smaller screen resolution doesn't help. Playing around with dgVoodoo seems to make no difference either, although I don't really know what I'm doing there! I just followed instructions in this forum... I will have to try a reinstall, and suffer the basic textures, at least for a test. D3D mode just doesn't work at all, the graphics look dreadful.

That constant framerate report from FRAPS worries me - it's just a bit TOO constant...

EDIT: on further testing, I just don't believe the FRAPS framerate. The screen is too smooth to be only 12 fps or less. It's not excessively high, but it's not THAT low...
Post edited September 27, 2010 by Wulfc
Posted September 27, 2010
Sounds like your airplanes are too sensitive to the touch due to very high FPS. Two things can fix the problem.
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Wulfc: Hmm... interesting... I was ready to put this down to my own inability to fly the thing, but you may have something - but in the wrong direction! I already installed HASP, and now FRAPS is reporting I'm only getting about a dozen FPS at best! It doesn't seem to matter what I do, either, even a smaller screen resolution doesn't help. Playing around with dgVoodoo seems to make no difference either, although I don't really know what I'm doing there! I just followed instructions in this forum... I will have to try a reinstall, and suffer the basic textures, at least for a test. D3D mode just doesn't work at all, the graphics look dreadful.

That constant framerate report from FRAPS worries me - it's just a bit TOO constant...

EDIT: on further testing, I just don't believe the FRAPS framerate. The screen is too smooth to be only 12 fps or less. It's not excessively high, but it's not THAT low...
alt+f gives the RB3D's in game version of the FPS. The reason say "version" is every time I use it, it does match what FRAPs reports, but FRAPs shows a 10-12 FPS hit in the process.

Since you are using a mod, you need to set the FM to full authentic. That means G-Force Effects to ON, Torque Effects to ON, Flight Model to Authentic, and for SP, Enemy skill factor to Max.. The mods were only modded to the authentic flight model, not the easy settings. Entire squadrons of AI pilots will crash on take off on easy mode.
Posted September 28, 2010
Well, that shows only 10 fps as well. But it looks & feels smooth! It might well explain the control problems in a dogfight, especially in padlock view when I'm disoriented anyway...


EDIT: This forum is weird - it won't let me follow my own post with another, I have to edit this one!

Well, I give up. I tried reinstalling the basic GOG download, I tried DDraw & Glide (using dgVoodoo), I tried all the different screen resolutions, all the graphic options.

Every single one gave me 10-12 fps, on both FRAPS and the built-in fps reader.

On the other hand, I've now played so many 'Fly Now' games, I've shot down a Salmson, a Fokker E.III, and a Caudron bomber... so maybe it was just me after all!
Post edited September 28, 2010 by Wulfc
Posted September 28, 2010
From CamelJockey (my RB3D Squadron CO) in another thread:


You definitely should be getting better fps than what you are. I'm assuming you have the latest directx update installed: http://download.microsoft.com/download/8/4/A/84A35BF1-DAFE-4AE8-82AF-AD2AE20B6B14/directx_Jun2010_redist.exe and that you have the latest ati video driver installed: http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=win7/windows-7-64bit

For glide, try my preconfigured dll for best results: http://www.sendspace.com/file/3kjjrj Make sure to update directx, and the video driver, don't use the driver that came on the disk with your video card, it is probably out of date. Try these things and see, if you are still having problems, then we'll have to try some other things.


Not sure it will help as the one for the thread this was posted still had problems. About the DirectX, the update is needed for the normal in stall of DirectX does not include the components the games are looking for in the older versions of DirectX.

What are your computer specs? Wondering how it compares to Dai's computer who also had the same problem.

Only other thing I could suggest is changing you compatibility mode. Go to the Baron.exe file in the RB3D folder, right click and select Properties. Under compatibility, click XP w/ SP3, Disable All Themes, and Run as Administrator.
Posted September 29, 2010
My DX components are fine, but thanks for the Radeon drivers update! Naturally, it made no difference at all... I did shoot down another Fokker E.III though...

I've tried most of the Compatibility modes, I always play games with themes disabled & Admin on, and I even stopped & started Explorer.exe to stop the psychedelic menus...
What are your computer specs? Wondering how it compares to Dai's computer who also had the same problem.
Let's see... it's a laptop, pre-installed with Win7x64 Home Premium. It's a Compaq Presario, AMD Sempron 2.0 GHz, with ATI Radeon HD 4200 128 Mb graphics. 2 Gb RAM
Post edited September 29, 2010 by Wulfc
Posted September 29, 2010
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Wulfc: I even stopped & started Explorer.exe to stop the psychedelic menus...
So how does one stop or restart explorer without crashing the computer? I get the psychedelic menus only on the first screen, but it may help me with a crash i get by using Promise Land 1 graphics.
Posted September 30, 2010
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Wailwulf: So how does one stop or restart explorer without crashing the computer? I get the psychedelic menus only on the first screen, but it may help me with a crash i get by using Promise Land 1 graphics.
I found the answer on the Interstate 76 forum here - can't find it immediately, but you start the game using a .bat file, here's the one I use:
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taskkill /f /IM explorer.exe
start /w baron.exe
pause
start explorer.exe
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Post edited September 30, 2010 by Wulfc
Posted September 30, 2010
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Wailwulf: So how does one stop or restart explorer without crashing the computer? I get the psychedelic menus only on the first screen, but it may help me with a crash i get by using Promise Land 1 graphics.
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Wulfc: I found the answer on the Interstate 76 forum here - can't find it immediately, but you start the game using a .bat file, here's the one I use:
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taskkill /f /IM explorer.exe
start /w baron.exe
pause
start explorer.exe
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Thanks, my game runs insanely smooth with this, however it doesn't help with the Promise Land 1 terrain crash :(

It even works with ReLoad for RB3D, a bullet counter, wind creator, plus extras for SP created by GabiLaser http://www.filefront.com/user/GabiLaser

I know the batch file from playing Diablo and Starcraft on my win7 machine, but never really looked at what it did before.
Post edited September 30, 2010 by Wailwulf
Posted October 20, 2010
After reloading RB3D completely (my hard drive failed, and was replaced under warranty, so I was starting com pletely from scratch), I used the GliDOS wrapped instead of DgVoodoo, and now I'm getting 50-60 fps! Don't know if it's the wrapper or not, but it's certainly better!

Unfortunately, it now makes the aircraft a bit twitchy which they weren't before... probably more realistic though!
Posted October 21, 2010
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Wulfc: After reloading RB3D completely (my hard drive failed, and was replaced under warranty, so I was starting com pletely from scratch), I used the GliDOS wrapped instead of DgVoodoo, and now I'm getting 50-60 fps! Don't know if it's the wrapper or not, but it's certainly better!

Unfortunately, it now makes the aircraft a bit twitchy which they weren't before... probably more realistic though!
Good to hear
Posted November 07, 2010
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Wailwulf: So how does one stop or restart explorer without crashing the computer? I get the psychedelic menus only on the first screen, but it may help me with a crash i get by using Promise Land 1 graphics.
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Wulfc: I found the answer on the Interstate 76 forum here - can't find it immediately, but you start the game using a .bat file, here's the one I use:
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taskkill /f /IM explorer.exe
start /w baron.exe
pause
start explorer.exe
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Another option is to open the screen resolution dialog. For whatever reason that often sorts out psychedelic colours.

Richard
Posted November 07, 2010
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Wulfc: I found the answer on the Interstate 76 forum here - can't find it immediately, but you start the game using a .bat file, here's the one I use:
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taskkill /f /IM explorer.exe
start /w baron.exe
pause
start explorer.exe
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richardhunt500: Another option is to open the screen resolution dialog. For whatever reason that often sorts out psychedelic colours.

Richard
Could you explain these psychedelic colors? It hasn't been much of a problem but on occasion, the instruments are covered in a rough reddish whatever. Is that what people are referring to? I'm using a mod (HASP, SP3) so I never asked about this. The title page for the mod is also splotchy green but that has been happening since I tried an add on mod to HASP (RNAS6) and didn't go away after I deleted it (doesn't matter anyway - don't need a title page once one knows a mod was successfully loaded).
Posted November 07, 2010
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richardhunt500: Another option is to open the screen resolution dialog. For whatever reason that often sorts out psychedelic colours.

Richard
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lordhoff: Could you explain these psychedelic colors? It hasn't been much of a problem but on occasion, the instruments are covered in a rough reddish whatever. Is that what people are referring to? I'm using a mod (HASP, SP3) so I never asked about this. The title page for the mod is also splotchy green but that has been happening since I tried an add on mod to HASP (RNAS6) and didn't go away after I deleted it (doesn't matter anyway - don't need a title page once one knows a mod was successfully loaded).
Mainly we are talking about the menus. The first menu page is unreadable, but going to a different menu page and back fixes that. But upon finishing the campaign and getting the debrief, the entire debrief is garbled up with the psychedelic colors and therefore completely unreadable.

The problem has to do with what color palette is used, or how it is read, and there is something how newer computers have trouble with the older games in that respect. I know Diablo 1 and Starcraft 1 have that problem with the Win7 64bit systems, though in those cases, it is for the entire game.

The other nice thing is it removes another program from using resources, and when I get into a combat with 20 AI planes involved, I do notice the FPS hit at times. So anything to keep it moving is preferred. I have used this batch file to play IL2, which does seriously tax my system.
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