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Interesting poll:
"What game of these 2 you would like Beamdog to overhaul first after BG series? PST or IWD"
http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/4771/what-to-overhaul-next-pst-or-iwd-who-should-be-the-first/p1
- expanding the overall story and level of interaction with some of the more shallow party members, especially Ignus and Fall-From-Grace (I want a regular romance!)

I too want to see a hot romance between TNO and Ignus.
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bapostoli: - expanding the overall story and level of interaction with some of the more shallow party members, especially Ignus and Fall-From-Grace (I want a regular romance!)

I too want to see a hot romance between TNO and Ignus.
I lol'd

Seriously though, part of what made PS:T great was the moving away from the archetypes we're all used to. No elegant swords or bows here, just mean looking axes and clubs. You are not some handsome knight in shining armour out to save the world and give the (cliched) forces of evil a beating of righteous fury. Also, there's no "and they lived happily ever after frolicking naked in the daisies" crap where our handsome hero meets the love of his life on his adventures. We don't need no stinkin romances in PS:T, there's already enough of that crap in mainstream entertainment.

If EE means fixing bugs, improving performance, scripting, more interaction between the NPCs, high resolution support, finishing up left out content etc, I'm all for it. But if it means adding stupid crap like romances, more weapon types, armour, new recruitable NPCs, new factions (I didn't think much of the existing ones), then forget it.
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zavlin: add epic optional fights (dragon-sort of things)
No. Just no. As IwubCheeze put it, what was great about Planescape, both as a game and a setting, was that it got away from the archetypes of typical D&D where the game starts with The Hero thrust into whimsial adventure and is building up to you slaying Tiamat with your +47 vorpal sword of slaying and shooting lightning out your bum to show how awesome you are. Planescape is a setting that is concerned more with philosophy, so any optional sidequests would be ones that tested the player's dedication to a set of ideals (sure you've been playing your character in line with your own moral code, but maybe something in the game makes you question if you should stick to that code and allow something bad to happen as a result?) or a more fundamental question of existence (what can change the nature of a man?). Adding in dragon fights because dragon fights are awesome would critically miss the point; adding a dragon who you could either fight and be responsible for the murder of an intelligent creature that wasn't harming anyone because that's what's expected of Heroes or leave the dragon because you've stopped acting like a Clueless Prime and started to realize how messed up some of the tropes you adhered to were would be something else entirely.
i agree that its a cool thing about torment that you can play a non-combat oriented character and that the setting doesn't revolve around combat, but it remains a flaw of the game that you don't have the option to fight entertaining mega-battles. As it stands, if you choose to focus your character on battles and optimize your party at all, none of the battles offer any challenge. Interesting super battles can exist and those who are concerned with the philosophical consequences can just ignore those battles if it makes them feel better. Baldurs gate 2 is the best example of a game balancing both.
Post edited November 08, 2013 by zavlin
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zavlin: i agree that its a cool thing about torment that you can play a non-combat oriented character and that the setting doesn't revolve around combat, but it remains a flaw of the game that you don't have the option to fight entertaining mega-battles. As it stands, if you choose to focus your character on battles and optimize your party at all, none of the battles offer any challenge. Interesting super battles can exist and those who are concerned with the philosophical consequences can just ignore those battles if it makes them feel better. Baldurs gate 2 is the best example of a game balancing both.
Once we went through the portal, the combat was very challenging and unavoidable, regardless of the party's composition. The difference is that the high level mega battles were in furtherance of the plot, which was ultimately concerned with with recovering TNO's identity and in the process trying to answer the question that served as a central theme of the game.

Extraneous mega battles being added for the pure sake of awesomeness goes against everything that Planescape represents as a setting; that kind of mentality would turn Planescape into a monster hunting session wherein the PCs get to take a crack at the powers. Hell, the setting material for Planescape (which I have been reading in preparation for a campaign I am starting wherein the PCs are all Primes who inadvertently wander into Sigil and have their perspectives and values challenged) flat out states that Planescape games are meant to revolve around the ethics of the PCs, first by letting them act in furtherance of their beliefs, and then once they grow more powerful and are able to set their own goals start challenging those beliefs, and warns against using it as yet another standard setting that serves to provide magic items and gratuitous ego-stroking mega-monster hunts.

If more battles were to be added,they would need to rise above the standard "kill unkillable badass X to prove how badass you are" that plagues so many RPGs, and instead be done either in furtherance of some larger goal relating to philosophy in the Planes (taking down or aiding a high level revolutionary holed up with an army bent on attempting to break the hold of the factions) or deconstructing the values of Prime adventurers (giving the player a giant dragon fight which results in the Harmonium hunting the PCs down for murder). If all people want from the Planes is more awesome monsters to fight so that they can feel like Billy Badass, then they would be better off sticking with Forgotten Realms, which has all the philosophical preoccupation of a dishtowel and prioritizes finding any means for giving the PCs new awesome magic items over lore (the moment I saw that the late Dak'kon's sword was purchasable despite it being established that the blade would disappear when he died, I had to resist the urge to headdesk). Part of the package deal with Planescape is playing in a setting with differing priorities; asking that those priorities be ignored is a bit like someone knowingly signing on for an RP intensive game and then getting bored and asking when they get to kill things, or walking away from Spec Ops: The Line and saying that what would have improved it was the ability to get a happy ending.
Post edited November 08, 2013 by Jonesy89
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Jonesy89: *snip*
Epic post, +1

Seriously want to see another planescape game but only if it's appropriate for the setting. As much as I like the ego stroking, magic item finding monther bash fests in Icewind Dale, I also appreciate the strong story telling and thought provoking moments in PS:T but mixing the two is a no no. I seriously doubt I would enjoy a monster bast fest in Planescape because to me, that's not what Planescape is about.

OP wants epic mega battles, there's plenty in Icewind Dale. Don't need em in Planescape.