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Posted March 26, 2015
I live in Germany.
On Steam the prize is the same as gog.

Is Steam also not competitive or too expensive?
Just because some people are unsocial and cheat the prize down via vpn or extremly shady keystores doesn't make the game too expensive.
I am a student, but also work, go make 42€ i have to work a little less than 3 hours.
Other people with low wages have to work 4-5 hours here in germany.
I think that is not too much for a game like this.
Posted March 26, 2015
I just want the DRM free version, so who cares about the price?
Posted March 26, 2015
Color me likewise confused! I'm in the U.S. and GOG's price and Steam's price are the same for me. The only notable difference is that Steam allows for you to pay for an upgrade between the three editions.

progste and AiCola have the right of it - those super cheap prices you see are the result of scams and other tricks. If you want the game cheaper, wait for a sale.
Posted March 26, 2015
So why are Europeans and Americans paying double the price than the rest of the world?
And why doesn't GOG have the same price for every country?

"You" want the benefits of globalization, cheap workforce, but refuse to hand pass those benefits along.

DRM free is all good but hey don't be greedy, the game's production was paid for by the crowd and all sales now are pure profits.

And regarding the "it's just 42€" yeah in the last 2 days I spent ~200€ on games, including this one.

Had I known this beforehand I wouldn't had bought it.
Post edited March 26, 2015 by dluketic
Posted March 26, 2015
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Nowakus: I am all for DRM-free games, but the price difference for this game is just too big.
If you're all for DRM free games, why are you acting like they need to match the business models of stores that use DRM?

Shouldn't part of being 'all for DRM free games' be acceptance that not offering identical offerings to a far larger market leader is unrealistic?

It seems to me you really will compromise your stance in a heartbeat if you can find some way to secure a discount so I'm unconvinced of your claim.
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Nowakus: A Steam key costs $20 in China (as I heard), $23 in Brazil (if you are committed enough to set up a VPN for Brazilian IP), and $30 in regular online key shops. So for $30 I have the game already downloaded.
Grey markets aren't official dealers. You buy from them, your discount comes at the risk of the key being stolen and revoked, leaving you to seek a refund from the grey market. This has happened both with Sniper Elite 3 Keys and FarCry 4 keys in significant numbers before. The game creators aren't liable and you aren't legally entitled to the game being given to you either. So grey market price comparisons are spurious, what you're buying from there has unique risks and lower price is needed as otherwise they'd be a terrible choice to buy from.

And regarding VPNs I'm fairly sure Valve's terms of service permit termination of account under some circumstances, though I don't know if purchasing outside of regions is one of them. There's no assurance they won't in time get far, far less tolerant. I doubt a customer breaching terms of service has much of a case.

As you didn't acknowledge any of this, I'm guessing you just didn't know. Now you do. Meaningful price comparisons are never straightforward affairs.
Posted March 26, 2015
I am from Brazil, and I bought the boxed version (Although I already downloaded and installed the digital here from gog, although I will only play later, too busy with work now).

The reason why it is "cheap" on Steam right now, is because in the last months our economy sunk, HARD...

When I backed the boxed version, I paid in total 65 USD, but 1 USD then cost 1.6 BRL (meaning I paid 104 BRL).

When PoE got priced on Steam, probably some time ago, it got priced in BRL, and probably was 30 USD

Currently, 1 USD costs 3.2 BRL, BRL is the second fastest devaluing currency in the world, only Ukraine currency is devaluing faster (because of their civil war).

Steam seemly is trying to keep some prices in BRL in BRL, meaning the USD prices are "dropping", but to pay with those "lowered" USD prices you must pay in BRL, meaning you need not only a proxy, but also a Brazillian ID number (CPF), a Brazillian means of payment tied to that ID, and paying the exchange rate.

In fact, the process is so bothersome, that since it was introduced, I stopped buying stuff on Steam and started to buy EVERYTHING on Gog.com, even when I wanted Steamworks features, because it is easier to pay with my credit card in USD, than to pay in BRL, despite me being in Brazil.

And of course, if it was today I Would not buy PoE, 30 USD is around 100 BRL + taxes, and I need all the money that I can have, I am very thankful I got PoE in better times, and that I will have it to entertain me during those grim times (very grim... there are even people asking for the military to start a civil war here to remove our retarded thief president).
Posted March 26, 2015
I'm a backer and totally happy with the price I paid. :-3
Posted March 26, 2015
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As some others mentioned: It is on everyone of us if we are willing to pay the price or not.

I paid 190USD for my box (plus extras) and maybe I now may be able to get a cheaper price somewhere. But it was my decision to pledge that amount of money during the kickstarter. I even could have sold my key I got on top of the physical edition. On other games I just wait for a sale. You may find lots of games for half the price within the first six months after release. But who am I to complain about a high price somewhere around? I just look around for a price I am willing to pay - preferrably on GoG.com of course. It's up to everyone around. But no need to complain.
Posted March 26, 2015
Just wait a year, you will get a better bugfree version with addons or expansions for 10$. wait 2 years=5$. In the meantime be happy that other people are paying the higher prices.
Posted March 26, 2015
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jamotide: Just wait a year, you will get a better bugfree version with addons or expansions for 10$. wait 2 years=5$. In the meantime be happy that other people are paying the higher prices.
This!
Posted March 26, 2015
I backed it at $180 on Kickstarter and frankly after playing the the backer demo, I think its probably going to be worth every penny. If its have the game BG2 was, I'll consider it money well spent.
Posted March 27, 2015
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dluketic: So why are Europeans and Americans paying double the price than the rest of the world?
And why doesn't GOG have the same price for every country?

"You" want the benefits of globalization, cheap workforce, but refuse to hand pass those benefits along.

DRM free is all good but hey don't be greedy, the game's production was paid for by the crowd and all sales now are pure profits.

And regarding the "it's just 42€" yeah in the last 2 days I spent ~200€ on games, including this one.

Had I known this beforehand I wouldn't had bought it.
Because they also make a lot more money, maybe that is why, lol.
As I wrote in my previous post i make over 15€ per hour, being a student (gonna be an engineer in about 6 months).
It is still much because i work at a large industrial company, but imagine how many euroes a chinese worker makes per hour.
I doubt it will be anywhere close that ...
if a chinese person pays 20€ for the game this might very well be more % of their income than for people in Europe or the US ...

And by the way you are very foolish if you think that the 4$ Dollars were enough to fund the game.
No Way that was enough to make the game...
How long did they work on that, 2 years?
Let's say 15 people at obsidian worked on the game during that time.
Let's say everyone of them cost obsidian about 70000$ per year.
That alone would cost over 2 Million dollars.
Then we have some part of the 4 million going to kickstarter.
Then we have costs for licensing (unity engine and so on), voice acting, artits, etc.
And of course they need to make sure that they can build a bit of a cash stash for upcoming projects, they were near bankrupt before that kickstarter campaign.
And if they end up making tons of money with it I will be very happy for them, Obsidian has never made a bad game and they are given way too little credit for their ability.
I'm glad pillars seems to be their step towards financial and creative independance, they have proven to be true masters at making video games.
Fallout:NV is by far my number one video game to this day, but i can see myself spending about the same amount of hours with pillars ...
Post edited March 27, 2015 by AiCola
Posted March 27, 2015
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dluketic: So why are Europeans and Americans paying double the price than the rest of the world?
And why doesn't GOG have the same price for every country?

"You" want the benefits of globalization, cheap workforce, but refuse to hand pass those benefits along.

DRM free is all good but hey don't be greedy, the game's production was paid for by the crowd and all sales now are pure profits.

And regarding the "it's just 42€" yeah in the last 2 days I spent ~200€ on games, including this one.

Had I known this beforehand I wouldn't had bought it.
I don't think its greed, its simple market economics. In the EU and the US, the average PC player can afford the price. If you did a strict conversion to a poorer country, it could end up being the equivalent of $200 or more to that person. They can't afford it, so they won't buy it. If you price it for their market though, they will buy it.
Posted March 27, 2015
I don't know how good this game is because I have not played it, but it does seem way too expensive.

The graphics, by today's standards anyway, seem quite crude. This wouldn't be so bad if the game's system requirements reflected the fact that this game looks like it was made many years ago, but it has higher system requirements, and costs more than games that are far more advanced. Why? Lazy programming? Lack of programmers? I understand that it is a Kickstarter game with limited funding and resources, but that doesn't change the fact that the game is dated, has high system requirements, and as seems to be the norm with Kickstarter projects, an unreasonable amount of bugs. All of this before even getting into whether it is a really good game or not.

I think people are being charged for their nostalgic feelings about Baldur's Gate. If this same game were to come out without any connection to the classic Baldur's Gate, how good would people think it is then, and how much would they pay?
Posted March 27, 2015
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aristotle61: I don't know how good this game is because I have not played it, but it does seem way too expensive.

The graphics, by today's standards anyway, seem quite crude. This wouldn't be so bad if the game's system requirements reflected the fact that this game looks like it was made many years ago, but it has higher system requirements, and costs more than games that are far more advanced. Why? Lazy programming? Lack of programmers? I understand that it is a Kickstarter game with limited funding and resources, but that doesn't change the fact that the game is dated, has high system requirements, and as seems to be the norm with Kickstarter projects, an unreasonable amount of bugs. All of this before even getting into whether it is a really good game or not.

I think people are being charged for their nostalgic feelings about Baldur's Gate. If this same game were to come out without any connection to the classic Baldur's Gate, how good would people think it is then, and how much would they pay?
Funny how you can judge the game despite not ever playing it.
Here are the facts that correspond to your claims:

1. graphics, system requirements etc.

The graphics of this game are VERY good.
the 2D Background is done very well and with a ton of love for detail, if you zoom in all the way the textures become a little bit blurry but are still quite nice.
Honestly what would you change with the graphics?
Usually with games like this the background oftne looks very nice but the characters are ugly in comparison (for example shadowrun returns, or wasteland 2, where everything is rather ugly)
In this game the characters look very good, almost like they were hand-drawn aswell, which is quite impressive.
Saying the graphics are bad and outdated can only mean that you simply don't like the isometric view, in which case it is nonsensical of you to comment on the graphics.
please show me a single rpg game with isometric view that has better graphics.

"This wouldn't be so bad if the game's system requirements reflected the fact that this game looks like it was made many years ago, but it has higher system requirements, and costs more than games that are far more advanced. Why? Lazy programming? Lack of programmers? "

Can you give examples of similar games that are more advanced and cost less?
the recent divinity: original sin costs exactly the same, wasteland 2 cost even more i think and was not done as well in terms of graphics.
Which of these games have lower system requirements?
You won't find many, trust me.
I have only played a few hours today (obviously ...) but the game already has tons of dialogue and hand-crafted content.
This type of content costs time and money, don't you get that?
Of course you can "cheat" and make a giant game like draon age: inquisition by just making a ton of empty areas with randomly generated respawning enemies, but that is for people who don't care for story and characters and only want to collect things for copy pasted quest givers that have nothing interesting to say.
None of that bullshit is in pillars of eternity.

" I understand that it is a Kickstarter game with limited funding and resources, but that doesn't change the fact that the game is dated, has high system requirements"

The game first of all is not dated at all, like i said before.
And the system requirements are quite low compared to what is standard technology today.
Compared to the old infinity engine games the system requirements have gone up due to much more complex math in the combat systems and actual real time instead of turn based real time and of course because of much better graphics.
The characters are animated quite nicely, as i said before, and the resolution of all the background textures is rather high aswell.
The game looks AWESOME!
If you honestly think the system requirements are very high then you are playing on a potato and are not able to play any new games at all, what current game are you able to play that has lower system requirements, but looks less "dated"????

2. bugs

i have not encountered a single bug.
Only one very minor thing that i am not sure about wether it is a bug or not, that does not effect me playing the game at all.
When i played wasteland 2 on release it was much more bugged and i even had to start a new game due to that.
Same goes with games like Dragon Age: Inquisition, THAT game was buggy when it was released.
Pillars of Eternity came out today, nobody has complained about bugs and yet you claim that it is extremly buggy.
Stop making up things that are not true please.

3. prize

Like i said before, this game is very huge, probably bigger than baldur's gate, and baldur's gate was not really any cheaper back when it came out.
Your question on how much people would be willing to pay if it was not linked to baldur's gate makes no sense.
The game was funded and demanded by people to be the spiritual successor to baldur's gate.
It is like asking wether people would buy draon age:Inquisition if it was not based on the really great draon age:origins.
If it was not, then it would be a completly different game....
If you look at divinity: original sin you can see that people spend EXACTLY the same amount of money on a game that has nothing to do with baldur's gate, but is made in the same way ...
Post edited March 27, 2015 by AiCola
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