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At lvl up, get hit point total. Don't like the nr, so load and do it again, and again and again and again and ALWAYS get the same total. It is apparent, hit point die rolls, are not random. Any of the devs care to explain, how a D10 will return a 6, 32 times in a row?
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sarge33rd: At lvl up, get hit point total. Don't like the nr, so load and do it again, and again and again and again and ALWAYS get the same total. It is apparent, hit point die rolls, are not random. Any of the devs care to explain, how a D10 will return a 6, 32 times in a row?
HP at level up is not random, as per Pathfinder rules. At level one you get maximum HP. After that you get 50% of hit dice rounded up +1 and a favoured class bonus of +1.
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sarge33rd: At lvl up, get hit point total. Don't like the nr, so load and do it again, and again and again and again and ALWAYS get the same total. It is apparent, hit point die rolls, are not random. Any of the devs care to explain, how a D10 will return a 6, 32 times in a row?
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Hickory: HP at level up is not random, as per Pathfinder rules. At level one you get maximum HP. After that you get 50% of hit dice rounded up +1 and a favoured class bonus of +1.
the biggest failure of this game...an assumption the specifics of PF rules, are already known. Every other RPG/CRPG I have ever seen, HD were randomized.

Thank-you however, for answering my question.
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Hickory: HP at level up is not random, as per Pathfinder rules. At level one you get maximum HP. After that you get 50% of hit dice rounded up +1 and a favoured class bonus of +1.
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sarge33rd: the biggest failure of this game...an assumption the specifics of PF rules, are already known. Every other RPG/CRPG I have ever seen, HD were randomized.

Thank-you however, for answering my question.
Well max HP at first and or second level, is a pretty standard house rule kind of thing. a 4 hp L! fighter. lets hope the blind drunk kobol doesn't have a nerf gun..

It's a good system I would use it as a DM. though it would be nice (as you say) to have this info in the game.
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sarge33rd: the biggest failure of this game...an assumption the specifics of PF rules, are already known. Every other RPG/CRPG I have ever seen, HD were randomized.
You purchased and are playing a Pathfinder product. Pathfinder is not D&D. The failure was yours in not checking the rules. The assumption was yours for presuming that all games are the same.
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sarge33rd: the biggest failure of this game...an assumption the specifics of PF rules, are already known. Every other RPG/CRPG I have ever seen, HD were randomized.
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Hickory: You purchased and are playing a Pathfinder product. Pathfinder is not D&D. The failure was yours in not checking the rules. The assumption was yours for presuming that all games are the same.
Respectfully disagree...Setting aside the point that pathfinder is a D&D clone. there is no real explanation of the rules and those that are there are largely cut a pasted from the pathfinder website without even the edits to revise feats and abilities which had to be changed to work in the CRPG format.
We shouldn't have to go to a website for what is in fact a very different game to get answers here. Because this is not D20 pathfinder But a CRPG game engine based on a simplified version of it.

I like the game and I've played P&P RPGs since chainmail and Traveller 1

I personally would rate Pathfinder as better than any post 2E AD&D (comparing them would be apples and oranges)
And approaching the qualityof say Gloranthan RuneQuest 3. which is Prolly the best P&P RPG of all.
If I could find a decent pathfinder group I'd prolly go play. and take my wife too.
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Hickory: You purchased and are playing a Pathfinder product. Pathfinder is not D&D. The failure was yours in not checking the rules. The assumption was yours for presuming that all games are the same.
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Mastererrant: Respectfully disagree...Setting aside the point that pathfinder is a D&D clone. there is no real explanation of the rules and those that are there are largely cut a pasted from the pathfinder website without even the edits to revise feats and abilities which had to be changed to work in the CRPG format.
We shouldn't have to go to a website for what is in fact a very different game to get answers here. Because this is not D20 pathfinder But a CRPG game engine based on a simplified version of it.

I like the game and I've played P&P RPGs since chainmail and Traveller 1

I personally would rate Pathfinder as better than any post 2E AD&D (comparing them would be apples and oranges)
And approaching the qualityof say Gloranthan RuneQuest 3. which is Prolly the best P&P RPG of all.
If I could find a decent pathfinder group I'd prolly go play. and take my wife too.
You place the 'failure' on the game, yet you appear to be a veteran who should know better than to assume.
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sarge33rd: the biggest failure of this game...an assumption the specifics of PF rules, are already known. Every other RPG/CRPG I have ever seen, HD were randomized.
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Hickory: You purchased and are playing a Pathfinder product. Pathfinder is not D&D. The failure was yours in not checking the rules. The assumption was yours for presuming that all games are the same.
Incorrect and judgmental both Hickory. PF is so obviously based off AD&D, as to be a near copyright infringement had such rights been maintained. It is not too much, to expect a game to include basic rules information FOR that very game. It is entirely UNREASONABLE, to market a game and expect buyers to fork over another $20+ for a basic players guide. (Players Handbook) THAT, should come with the games initial documentation.

So yes, the error WAS mine, in thinking the Devs would have provided basic elementary information, on things like classes, races and idiosyncracies where the games rules depart from any long established norms.

Now way back when I DM'd (2nd Edit AD&D), I like most DMs had my own "house rules" where we varied slightly in processes from the "official" rules. This system of granting avg hit points with ea lvl up, greatly favors classes with fewer potential hit points. EX...Class with a D6 fir HP. 50% is 3.5, rounded up is 4. 4, is 66.667% if the maximum possible HP award. Now, a class with a D12 for HP. 50% is 6.5 rounds up to 7. 7 is less than 60% of the max possible. (To really illustrate, assume a MU from the old ADA rule sets with a D4. 50% is 2.5, rounds up to 3. Thats 75% of the max possible.= HP gain, without including CON bonuses. For a FTR to see the same, they would need 7.5 unadjusted HP per level, not 6. There is a 25% discrepancy there)

Now, this modification to HP gain at lvl up seems easily enough accepted and such BUT, it would have been REALLY nice, if the game had included this sort of information since it IS a departure from the genre norm.
Please.

The devs have already started to improve the ingame documentation.
I suggest you go to the official game forum, and enter this request there.
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sarge33rd: Incorrect and judgmental both Hickory.
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So yes, the error WAS mine
I was not being judgemental, just stating the obvious. You, on the other hand, need to make your bloody mind up.

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Now way back when I DM'd (2nd Edit AD&D), I like most ...
*Yawn*
Post edited October 22, 2018 by Hickory
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sarge33rd: Incorrect and judgmental both Hickory.
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So yes, the error WAS mine
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Hickory: I was not being judgemental, just stating the obvious. You, on the other hand, need to make your bloody mind up.

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Now way back when I DM'd (2nd Edit AD&D), I like most ...
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Hickory: *Yawn*
Well Brother some of you comments do come off that way. my own tendency to bark and snap requires...Restrant. sometimes my wife what me with something. when i start growling...
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Mastererrant: Well Brother
I'm not your brother.
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Mastererrant: Well Brother
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Hickory: I'm not your brother.
Well everyone on the planet is my Brother or sister in the end...if it "Sister" my apologies for the assumption.if not then we have differing opinions
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Hickory: I'm not your brother.
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Mastererrant: Well everyone on the planet is my Brother or sister in the end...if it "Sister" my apologies for the assumption.if not then we have differing opinions
Get it into your head: I.am.not.your.brother.
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Mastererrant: Well everyone on the planet is my Brother or sister in the end...if it "Sister" my apologies for the assumption.if not then we have differing opinions
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Hickory: Get it into your head: I.am.not.your.brother.
yeah, you're also not "almost human"