Why do you think you need so much int? Vivi doesn't benefit from it at all.
Also Vivi is much-much better off with STR even with ECB. Dex in general is a bit of a trap.
Trips without fauchard are meh and you want to be motherless for it. Bite tripping with 1 bite a round is not exactly a good investment. You'd be better off dropping the trip part wholesale.
You don't need BF at all since VIvi gets echo and you don't need preserve organs, mummification and other junk that does nothing of use.
You also want crane style. Even without a monk.
What you are adamant on going dex ECB vivi, you probably want to be Scoundrel4/V16 and use oak as an armor, if you are allergic to monk builds.

Thx for the tips, I didn't actually know that vivi doesn't benefit from INT. I wanted trip because I was going to get trips for all my frontliners and was hoping it would work where they can all trip people and get AoO.

I'm not sure what you mean by Motherless and why Dex is a trap?

I'll take a look at eldritch scoundrel and see what that does.

Motherless is a tiefling subtype. Different subtypes get bonuses/penalties to different statistics. Motherless gets a Strength bonus, for example.

Hey dude, thanks for making all these awesome guides! im a noob from Hong Kong and I have spent days reading all your posts, especially concepts in building DIY and recommended dips, they really meant alot to me.

im going to make to following party for my unfair run

MC pure scroll savant 20lv (arcane caster)
Your annoying dragon build or dazzling tank for Valerie (tank)
Your Make Amiri Great again build or off-tank build for Amiri or Jaethal (off-tank/ dd)
Linzi or Jaethal or Merc (bard)
Merc Monster Tactician
Merc or Jaethal (Cleric)

Q1: if I want to keep MC scroll savant, keep amiri + val + Jaethal(optional for her) in the party and a monster tactician merc, what picks from above will be feasible in unfair?

Q2: For bard, is the bard build of Val works as a main tank and bard? if so, I can take jaethal dd or kineticist sisters or some other dd for the bard place. Otherwise, is the undead bard jaethal good for this team?

Q3: for monster tactician, is her animal or summon well enough as offtank? (mastodon or bear?)

Q4: Besides gog, what websites or discord or forum are you actively using?

Thanks a lot @InEffect and everyone =]

Happy to hear it. Free HK.

She's better off as a bard for unfair. Either way anything anywhere near melee needs mirror anyways there.

Tactician falls off HARD on unfair. Animate dead is pretty much the only summon you'll ever need, so it's super-redundant. Any cleric drinks tacticians milkshake.

Savant is fine. Just go evil conjuration+necro and it'll be ok.
Amiri is fine too.
Val needs to facetank, so you very much have to do the bard on her.
Jaethal is hard to use on unfair. Healing her is pita and immunities she gets pretty much amount to a death ward, which is not exactly good value. And her being saddled with an inquisitor level doesn't exactly help, so if I'd have to trim one it'd be her.

Bard Jae kinda works, but it's just a worse bard val at the end of the day.

No. Not on unfair. Pets are nice to make A1 less of a struggle, but really, erastil community+animal fills the bill better. As such leopard is nice cause he only needs cats grace for both AC and AB/damage. Smilodon is the most damage. Dog/wolf are best late-game pets, but that doesn't count for much, imo. Everything else is not every relevant.

I am on discord InEffect#6465. Mainly to chat with friends.
I am @InEffect on parler, which I open like once a week, mostly cause I don't like or use social media.
I don't use PK discord.
Don't really use much of web resources as I generally find them lacking for most games. If I ever find a site that only publishes people who know exactly what they are doing, I'd use that. Neoseeker generally is not bad. At least they seem to put the time into research. At least Destroyermaker does.
Sometimes I visit steam forums when I'm bored out of my mind.

YW. Have fun.

Thanks alot @InEffect, I hope all your words will come true.
a bit of follow up questions if you don't mind.

Party is trimmed down as per your comment:

MC Scroll Sav
Val Tank + Bard
Amiri DD
Merc Healing/Support Cleric
Open slot 1 (offtank?)
Open slot 2 (anything good?)

Q1 What classes will you pick for open slot 1 and 2?

Q2 What other games did you play recently?

You need some alchemist to give out infusion shields. The choice is basically between jubi and merc trip vivi with minor changes. Merc vivi build is in unfair guide, I'd just swap reflexes with infusion and took reflexes at 15 and imp crit at 17. Either works.

Apart from that you generally need another tank and some ranged nukes, so it's either trip vivi+sacred ekun or jubi+some thing tanky. Can just do a merc saint with marginally lower stat base. Won't matter too much at the end of the day.

Playing Battle Brothers atm.
Edit. Also, underrail.

InEffect with the nerf/fix to crane wing (doesn't work with shields), is any plate + shield still viable?

I don't think they fixed it. At least it's not in the patch notes. As to viability, it'd just shaft shield users and armor builds in general. Monks are still fine cause we don't have to have crane on them. I'd probably just taken expertise for the tempo with that +2AB when using the expertise helmet on some classes and abandoned it later.

thanks for your buids.
twf buid broken in 2.1.4? dont appear effortless dual wielding for me in fighter 9
already answered in another topic, thank you

Your builds are awesome, thanks for all of your work.
I just made the xp how awesome a grenadier would be. My saint is nice, but a bit squishy, maybe im not the good melee player.

Because you don t make builds anymore, do you still have any grenadier build flying around or just some hints for a good one dear ineffect?

Grenadier is basically the same as jubi. Literally the only difference is the former gets 1 feat for free and doesn't get thet awesome camping ability.

Ok thank you ineffect :)

Last questions for now:

What are the first 5 picks at talents then at grenadier? I cannot see that rly well at juibil.
And what bout fine starting stats? Not so bout under 10 thou please.