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Just a quick question, how would you (or anyone else with more game knowledge than me) tweak this for more damage without losing too much tankiness ?
I'll be playing on challenging.
Although as all armored things in the game it's gonna suck big time against touch.
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Khoraji
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Just a quick question, how would you (or anyone else with more game knowledge than me) tweak this for more damage without losing too much tankiness ?
I'll be playing on challenging.
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Although as all armored things in the game it's gonna suck big time against touch.
Big thanks to you man, and I will give it a go, cheers!
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Khoraji
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Just a quick question, how would you (or anyone else with more game knowledge than me) tweak this for more damage without losing too much tankiness ?
I'll be playing on challenging.
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Although as all armored things in the game it's gonna suck big time against touch.
Would it not be better to get either Power attack or Arcane Armor Mastery starting out ?
Sorry if this is a silly question
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Will you put together the most broken sword saint possible?
If you don’t have the time for the build, would you mind giving me your opinion on a couple things?
Do you think a slayer dip would benefit sword saint? Like one dip into Viv and one dip into slayer.
What do you think about sword saint using the rapier?
If you don’t have the time for the build, would you mind giving me your opinion on a couple things?
Do you think a slayer dip would benefit sword saint? Like one dip into Viv and one dip into slayer.
What do you think about sword saint using the rapier?
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If you don’t have the time for the build, would you mind giving me your opinion on a couple things?
Do you think a slayer dip would benefit sword saint? Like one dip into Viv and one dip into slayer.
What do you think about sword saint using the rapier?
as for rapiers... well... they exist? that's good, I think. Jokes aside, there are not that many actually good dps weapons. So much so I can list them all:
1h:
Lion's claw falcata. 15-20/x3 +3 weapon.
Blinding light estoc. 15-20/x3 +5 weapon, but comes real late.
Redeemer longsword. 17-20/x3 +5 holy. 1 transformation/day
Allslayer. Keen +5 shorsword, ignores DR.
2h:
Vanquisher greataxe. 17-20/x3 +5. +10 damage.
Serpent prince fauchard 15-20/x3 +3.
The end heavy flail. Ignores DR
That's about it. Everything else is worse. Sometimes a bit, sometimes a lot. Some of it has situational use, but strictly damage-wise that's it. Considering saint is a crit-fishing class you are pretty much limited to a choice between Lion's claw and blinding light. and with the former being available much earlier it's not that much of a choice.
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If you don’t have the time for the build, would you mind giving me your opinion on a couple things?
Do you think a slayer dip would benefit sword saint? Like one dip into Viv and one dip into slayer.
What do you think about sword saint using the rapier?
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as for rapiers... well... they exist? that's good, I think. Jokes aside, there are not that many actually good dps weapons. So much so I can list them all:
1h:
Lion's claw falcata. 15-20/x3 +3 weapon.
Blinding light estoc. 15-20/x3 +5 weapon, but comes real late.
Redeemer longsword. 17-20/x3 +5 holy. 1 transformation/day
Allslayer. Keen +5 shorsword, ignores DR.
2h:
Vanquisher greataxe. 17-20/x3 +5. +10 damage.
Serpent prince fauchard 15-20/x3 +3.
The end heavy flail. Ignores DR
That's about it. Everything else is worse. Sometimes a bit, sometimes a lot. Some of it has situational use, but strictly damage-wise that's it. Considering saint is a crit-fishing class you are pretty much limited to a choice between Lion's claw and blinding light. and with the former being available much earlier it's not that much of a choice.
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funny thing though as it seems with shield bash/master and revana's oath as shield as weapon my attack bonus is always way better with the shield than with any weapon I can equip.
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funny thing though as it seems with shield bash/master and revana's oath as shield as weapon my attack bonus is always way better with the shield than with any weapon I can equip.
Lion's claw you generally want to use as a primary weapon. TWF in practice is not that great for damage. What you do with lion's claw is stack a whole lot of flat damage and then go to town with that x4 crits. And for stacking flat dice best way is two-handing and a whole lot of strength.
For TWF you'd have to abandon x4 and probably go V16/M1/something 3
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funny thing though as it seems with shield bash/master and revana's oath as shield as weapon my attack bonus is always way better with the shield than with any weapon I can equip.
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Lion's claw you generally want to use as a primary weapon. TWF in practice is not that great for damage. What you do with lion's claw is stack a whole lot of flat damage and then go to town with that x4 crits. And for stacking flat dice best way is two-handing and a whole lot of strength.
For TWF you'd have to abandon x4 and probably go V16/M1/something 3
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For an effective build you should pick something it supposed to do and push it as far as it can go. Bonus point if you grab some extra roles in the process of doing so.
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For an effective build you should pick something it supposed to do and push it as far as it can go. Bonus point if you grab some extra roles in the process of doing so.
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Something like scoundrel 7/EK10/M1/+2. Maybe Vivi for mutagen would work there. It's not something I'd take on unfair, but it should be workable.
Post edited June 30, 2019 by InEffect