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pakgog: What's the main advantages of Kineticist vs PsychoKineticist, looking at the class description isn't particular obvious , thanks!
1. Kineticist gets all his stuff from phys attributes, so 2 more CMB and a whole lot more AB
2. Kineticist is more eficient with burn as 2 con negate 1 burn. Psyco negates .5 burn per 2 wis
3. Will is already the weakest save. Destroying it with burn will ruin you
4. Kinetic crown is more of an option given you only need phys stats.
So

a) thank you for the guides, and them being as detailed as they are, since I am entirely new to crpgs, and the very vague descriptions so many people use, when they are recommending builds are just way too confusing for a newb like me, who has no idea what even the standard builds are, much less what needs to be taken with recommendation x y and z, so that they work together properly, and your guides help a lot

b) i just noticed that you are banned on steam, and i hope it has nothing with your issues with the game devs.
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Avald: b) i just noticed that you are banned on steam, and i hope it has nothing with your issues with the game devs.
it very much has, but I won't lower myself to the level of owlcat community management, so I won't comment on it.
Post edited July 09, 2019 by InEffect
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pakgog: What's the main advantages of Kineticist vs PsychoKineticist, looking at the class description isn't particular obvious , thanks!
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InEffect: 1. Kineticist gets all his stuff from phys attributes, so 2 more CMB and a whole lot more AB
2. Kineticist is more eficient with burn as 2 con negate 1 burn. Psyco negates .5 burn per 2 wis
3. Will is already the weakest save. Destroying it with burn will ruin you
4. Kinetic crown is more of an option given you only need phys stats.
You thought about everything, I guess you are right! The more I play this game I more I realized the wisdom in some of these choices you made in the builds.

One other question, regarding archer.
Is Vivisectionist archer good vs ranger archer? Is there a concern for the bad BAB for being alchemist . If it's good do you have a build for it somewhere (i can't find one).
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pakgog: Is Vivisectionist archer good vs ranger archer? Is there a concern for the bad BAB for being alchemist . If it's good do you have a build for it somewhere (i can't find one).
Vivisectionist fights transformed, so BAB i of low concern past level 16. As to who is the best archer... both V16/EA2 and Ra15/EA2 are good bases.
https://www.gog.com/forum/pathfinder_kingmaker/ineffect_builds_for_you/post365 vivi archer
https://www.gog.com/forum/pathfinder_kingmaker/ineffects_guide_v2/post12 Ranger. It's ekun, but it wouldn't change anything in terms of build, except MC would have 1 more fey pick, but bit less stats.
Hi InEffect, i saw you mentioned the rod of flaming vengeance being essential for late game AT in several of your build description. But i couldnt find any info where you get it. Do you remember where you got that?
Post edited July 10, 2019 by pakgog
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pakgog: Hi InEffect, i saw you mentioned the rod of flaming vengeance being essential for late game AT in several of your build description. But i couldnt find any info where you get it. Do you remember where you got that?
pretty sure it's one of random rods from magical artisan. Although it was long time ago so my memory is bit foggy on that.
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pakgog: Hi InEffect, i saw you mentioned the rod of flaming vengeance being essential for late game AT in several of your build description. But i couldnt find any info where you get it. Do you remember where you got that?
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InEffect: pretty sure it's one of random rods from magical artisan. Although it was long time ago so my memory is bit foggy on that.
It's not listed in this guide: I havent seen anyone mention this rod.
https://www.neoseeker.com/pathfinder-kingmaker/loot/Artisan_Items_Crafter_Masterworks#Irlene_.28Capital.29
Hi InEffect. Thanks for all the guides and useful info. Will full TC Bard with extra performance be a better choice (merc) instead of Linzi?

Oh and sorry for off-topic, but where can I find your NWN2 builds? Haven't found your id at NWN2DB.
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forbenz: Hi InEffect. Thanks for all the guides and useful info. Will full TC Bard with extra performance be a better choice (merc) instead of Linzi?

Oh and sorry for off-topic, but where can I find your NWN2 builds? Haven't found your id at NWN2DB.
http://nwn2db.com/builds/member/?4565 not all of them are exactly good(was young and kinda new back then) but think some of them are not horrible.

As for full bards - I'm not a fan, really. I prefer bards being something more than just buff-bots, tbh. Something like melee bard or a valerie bard is a better fit for my taste. I generally like condensing roles.
That being said, TC is not totally bad. Evo foci affect thundercall DC iirc and there are quite a bit of enchantment intems to help along the way too. It's not hard being better than Linzy, who has little going for her apart from being pretty much Alora clone.
Hi I'm a new player to pathfinder kingmaker and I have a question pertaining to party composition. Here's what I have so far, and my heart is set on it. I was wondering what I could use as a last class to have smooth progression through the game. What I hand in mind was any of the following: Ranger, Sylvan Sorceror, Kineticist or Grenadier. I sort of want the other pet so I could have four pets out. I know I don't have a real proper tank, but I was thinking since I plan on playing on normal and I'm running a Monster Tactician and three animal companions, I would have enough bodies in front.

Bard (Thunder Caller) - Buffs
Inquisitor (Monster Tactician) - Pet/Summons - Will get animal domain.
Druid (Defender of the True World) - Pet/Support
Paladin (Hospitalier) - Off-Tank/Heals/2nd Row
Barbarian (Mad Dog) - Off-Tank/Pet/2nd Row DD

And like everyone else, thank you for all the guide and builds.
kineticist will do. barring that grenadier is the next best thing. You need something that can carry the meme squad.
Haha, thanks.
Hey InEffect, is there a strength-based shield bash / tanky build you would recommend? Almost every melee Ive played is dex based. Just wondering if something like that would work.

Many thanks!
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pakgog: Hey InEffect, is there a strength-based shield bash / tanky build you would recommend? Almost every melee Ive played is dex based. Just wondering if something like that would work.

Many thanks!
there is a slayer build in the main thread. Should work decently well.