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No Man's SkyOnline connectivity with 'Offline Backup Game Installers' ?(18 posts)(18 posts)
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Posted August 26, 2019
Hi,
does anyone get online connectivity with the game when installing it using the Offline Backup Game Installers? My online connectivity circle in the Discovery page always remains red and pushing on it as told does plain nothing. Also I don't have any MP options in the menu.
Version 2.09, fresh install.

Thanks,
Posted August 27, 2019
No, if you want Multi-player and uploading discoveries, you need the game to be installed via GOG Galaxy.

The game itself does not provide the communications necessary (pretty much the same if you bought the game via Steam, if Steam provided the game as an Offline Backup Installer and you could choose not to have Steam client itself installed, you would also not be able to play MP or upload discoveries).

For those of us who want just the Single player game, and dont wish to have any kind of client installed communicating with the outside world while you play, the Offline Backup Installers are just what the doctor ordered :)

So anyway to solve your connectivity :

1. Uninstall any GOG games which you have previously installed just using the Offline Backup Installers (if you have GOG games installed and then you install Galaxy, Galaxy will detect any GOG games already installed and thereafter will start updating them .. I believe this can in some unusual cases lead to a slightly confused installation, hence why you need to start afresh by installing Galaxy first, and then installing all your GOG games via Galaxy).

2. Install GOG Galaxy, give it your password for GOG access, and then go into its settings to get everything how you want it, and also give a path / Hard drive location where Galaxy will install all your games.

3. Install games via Galaxy.

Now every time you launch a game, Galaxy will be launched first and chain load the game, providing it with all the background resources needed for the Multi-player connectivity.
Post edited August 27, 2019 by alt3rn1ty
Posted August 27, 2019
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alt3rn1ty: No, if you want Multi-player and uploading discoveries, you need the game to be installed via GOG Galaxy.

The game itself does not provide the communications necessary (pretty much the same if you bought the game via Steam, if Steam provided the game as an Offline Backup Installer and you could choose not to have Steam client itself installed, you would also not be able to play MP or upload discoveries).

For those of us who want just the Single player game, and dont wish to have any kind of client installed communicating with the outside world while you play, the Offline Backup Installers are just what the doctor ordered :)

So anyway to solve your connectivity :

1. Uninstall any GOG games which you have previously installed just using the Offline Backup Installers (if you have GOG games installed and then you install Galaxy, Galaxy will detect any GOG games already installed and thereafter will start updating them .. I believe this can in some unusual cases lead to a slightly confused installation, hence why you need to start afresh by installing Galaxy first, and then installing all your GOG games via Galaxy).

2. Install GOG Galaxy, give it your password for GOG access, and then go into its settings to get everything how you want it, and also give a path / Hard drive location where Galaxy will install all your games.

3. Install games via Galaxy.

Now every time you launch a game, Galaxy will be launched first and chain load the game, providing it with all the background resources needed for the Multi-player connectivity.
Thank you to elaborate this for me, I appreciate !
I will do as you suggest, I did so in the past but then I found it more practical to download a game version and then only the patches via offline installers. (The word offline should have rang bells for me...)
Do you think it's possible to backup special game versions via the Galaxy interface for future playing? With the offline installers I can do so by uninstalling and installing previous game version, NMS is the only game where I do this.
Thank you!
Posted August 27, 2019
No Galaxy just installs the most recent version of a game, I dont think there is any roll-back to previous versions possible with Galaxy ..

.. You can only do that with having old Offline Backup Installer versions saved on your Hard drive somewhere
Posted August 27, 2019
Can No Man's Sky be installed with the Offline Backup Installers outside of GOG Galaxy. I have GOG Galaxy installed and even though I'm using the Offline Backup Installers it automatically installs it in GOG Galaxy?

I'm guessing for that to work GOG Galaxy would have to be uninstalled. Is that correct?

Thanks.
Posted August 27, 2019
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jeff_fm10: Can No Man's Sky be installed with the Offline Backup Installers outside of GOG Galaxy. I have GOG Galaxy installed and even though I'm using the Offline Backup Installers it automatically installs it in GOG Galaxy?

I'm guessing for that to work GOG Galaxy would have to be uninstalled. Is that correct?

Thanks.
I have seen game installations get confused because of both methods being used causing technical problems, so as mentioned earlier (point number 1. in my first response to the OP) I would only use one method or the other, and if changing from one to the other .. clean out the old installations first before installing the games again by the chosen method.
Post edited August 27, 2019 by alt3rn1ty
Posted August 27, 2019
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jeff_fm10: Can No Man's Sky be installed with the Offline Backup Installers outside of GOG Galaxy. I have GOG Galaxy installed and even though I'm using the Offline Backup Installers it automatically installs it in GOG Galaxy?

I'm guessing for that to work GOG Galaxy would have to be uninstalled. Is that correct?

Thanks.
Yes.
Posted September 25, 2019
An additional info I just have discovered since version v.2.12 of No Man's Sky:

If you only install the NMS Offline Installers and immediately launch game with the shortcut you will not have any MP features or network options showing-up in your game. However:

You don't need to install the game via GoG Galaxy, but you just need to launch (and update) GoG Galaxy ONCE after installing the offline installers. After that you have full MP features in your game to chose if you simply start the game with the game icon on your desktop. There is NO need to relaunch GoG Galaxy if you don't want to.
To get full online connectivity, you may have to check and perhaps change a value in your registry in Windows OS. Here is what you need to check and change:

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[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\WinHttp]
"DefaultSecureProtocols"=dword:00000a80

This is the value that must be in the address, especially for Windows 7 users.
It must be 2688 DECIMAL for TLS 1.0 + TLS 1.1 + TLS 1.2
AND: Same value at the same address in the Wow6432Node section.

After changing it to this value restart computer.
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You can then go in the 'Network' options in-game and make MP adjustments to your taste. After the method with the registry above, if you go in your 'Discoveries' page, you will see a green circle at the bottom left. This means: Full online connectivity during game which is necessary to play MP or have access to online Nexus missions.
Post edited September 25, 2019 by XenonS
Posted September 25, 2019
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XenonS: ~SNIP~
Here is what you need to check and change:

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[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\WinHttp]
"DefaultSecureProtocols"=dword:00000a80

This is the value that must be in the address, especially for Windows 7 users.
It must be 2688 DECIMAL for TLS 1.0 + TLS 1.1 + TLS 1.2
AND: Same value at the same address in the Wow6432Node section.

After changing it to this value restart computer.
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You can then go in the 'Network' options in-game and make MP adjustments to your taste. After the method with the registry above, if you go in your 'Discoveries' page, you will see a green circle at the bottom left. This means: Full online connectivity during game which is necessary to play MP or have access to online Nexus missions.
DONT DO THIS!

You are making your windows and other software vulnerable to Man in the Middle attacks, and old exploits like Poodle / RC4 and Freak attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security

Microsoft Windows (and everyone else) deprecated all old SSL versions, plus TLS 1.0 and 1.1 for very good reason. There were a few windows updates specifically for these issues in an attempt to protect the world against auto downgrading of Browser / Communications Clients security.

Spreading this idea around is irresponsible bad advice making people vulnerable to old exploits, and very much not recommended just for the sake of getting some functions to work in a game.
Post edited September 25, 2019 by alt3rn1ty
Posted September 25, 2019
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XenonS: ~SNIP~
Here is what you need to check and change:

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[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\WinHttp]
"DefaultSecureProtocols"=dword:00000a80

This is the value that must be in the address, especially for Windows 7 users.
It must be 2688 DECIMAL for TLS 1.0 + TLS 1.1 + TLS 1.2
AND: Same value at the same address in the Wow6432Node section.

After changing it to this value restart computer.
---------------------

You can then go in the 'Network' options in-game and make MP adjustments to your taste. After the method with the registry above, if you go in your 'Discoveries' page, you will see a green circle at the bottom left. This means: Full online connectivity during game which is necessary to play MP or have access to online Nexus missions.
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alt3rn1ty: DONT DO THIS!

You are making your windows and other software vulnerable to Man in the Middle attacks, and old exploits like Poodle / RC4 and Freak attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security

Microsoft Windows (and everyone else) deprecated all old SSL versions, plus TLS 1.0 and 1.1 for very good reason. There were a few windows updates specifically for these issues in an attempt to protect the world against auto downgrading of Browser / Communications Clients security.

Spreading this idea around is irresponsible bad advice making people vulnerable to old exploits, and very much not recommended just for the sake of getting some functions to work in a game.
The entry above is what an official Microsoft KB will add to the registry as an 'Important Update'. Do you think you know it better than Microsoft?

The KB is this one:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3140245/update-to-enable-tls-1-1-and-tls-1-2-as-default-secure-protocols-in-wi

If you apply it + the related Easy Fix for Win7, that's what you get. Now if you lack security because of it (or better say you think you lack) then go complain to MS. It is assumed that the average computer user has an Internet Security with Firewall installed on his computer. Those who don't will have such stories to tell, like the one of your response.

If you want to use only TLS 1.1 +TLS 1.2 (safe enough for Your Honour?) then change the value to 2560 DECIMAL.
Post edited September 25, 2019 by XenonS
Posted September 25, 2019
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alt3rn1ty: DONT DO THIS!

You are making your windows and other software vulnerable to Man in the Middle attacks, and old exploits like Poodle / RC4 and Freak attacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security

Microsoft Windows (and everyone else) deprecated all old SSL versions, plus TLS 1.0 and 1.1 for very good reason. There were a few windows updates specifically for these issues in an attempt to protect the world against auto downgrading of Browser / Communications Clients security.

Spreading this idea around is irresponsible bad advice making people vulnerable to old exploits, and very much not recommended just for the sake of getting some functions to work in a game.
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XenonS: The entry above is what an official Microsoft KB will add to the registry as an 'Important Update'. Do you think you know it better than Microsoft?

The KB is this one:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3140245/update-to-enable-tls-1-1-and-tls-1-2-as-default-secure-protocols-in-wi

If you apply it + the related Easy Fix for Win7, that's what you get. Now if you lack security because of it (or better say you think you lack) then go complain to MS. It is assumed that the average computer user has an Internet Security with Firewall installed on his computer. Those who don't will have such stories to tell, like the one of your response.

If you want to use only TLS 1.1 +TLS 1.2 (safe enough for Your Honour?) then change the value to 2560 DECIMAL.
From the KB

"This update adds support for DefaultSecureProtocols registry entry that allows the system administrator to specify which SSL protocols should be used when the WINHTTP_OPTION_SECURE_PROTOCOLS flag is used."

Its for Administrator use for circumstances where for example a small company may need old software to work but they cant afford to upgrade all of their systems to the latest windows.

Its not intended for general use by the public

Did you not read all the wiki I linked ? - Its stupid to advise this to the general public. There can be no doubt that using it does degrade anyones security, allowing some really serious exploits to be used by Man In The Middle attacks (external to your computer and router) .. Your firewall cannot protect anyone against its use.

Anyone who enables these old protocols and for example does online banking are vulnerable to such attacks. Any external communications using these old protocols are seriously compromised, sensitive information like medical issues, and your privacy, any comms like Skype which become downgraded automatically to use one of these protocols will also be wide open to being intercepted and recorded by any MITM interceptions along its journey.
Post edited September 25, 2019 by alt3rn1ty
Posted September 25, 2019
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XenonS: The entry above is what an official Microsoft KB will add to the registry as an 'Important Update'. Do you think you know it better than Microsoft?

The KB is this one:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3140245/update-to-enable-tls-1-1-and-tls-1-2-as-default-secure-protocols-in-wi

If you apply it + the related Easy Fix for Win7, that's what you get. Now if you lack security because of it (or better say you think you lack) then go complain to MS. It is assumed that the average computer user has an Internet Security with Firewall installed on his computer. Those who don't will have such stories to tell, like the one of your response.

If you want to use only TLS 1.1 +TLS 1.2 (safe enough for Your Honour?) then change the value to 2560 DECIMAL.
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alt3rn1ty: From the KB

"This update adds support for DefaultSecureProtocols registry entry that allows the system administrator to specify which SSL protocols should be used when the WINHTTP_OPTION_SECURE_PROTOCOLS flag is used."

Its for Administrator use for circumstances where for example a small company may need old software to work but they cant afford to upgrade all of their systems to the latest windows.

Its not intended for general use by the public

Did you not read all the wiki I linked ? - Its stupid to advise this to the general public. There can be no doubt that using it does degrade anyones security, allowing some really serious exploits to be used by Man In The Middle attacks (external to your computer and router) .. Your firewall cannot protect anyone against its use.

Anyone who enables these old protocols and for example does online banking are vulnerable to such attacks.
If you use your gaming computer for making online banking, then you should stop altogether giving advices. You are not credible. For the sake of your good intentions however, I will ignore this stupid part of your reply.
Obviously my advice above is to make the game NMS running as intended, and not to be used on devices not intended for gaming (laptops or desktops for professional or non-gaming purposes).
Post edited September 25, 2019 by XenonS
Posted September 25, 2019
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alt3rn1ty: From the KB

"This update adds support for DefaultSecureProtocols registry entry that allows the system administrator to specify which SSL protocols should be used when the WINHTTP_OPTION_SECURE_PROTOCOLS flag is used."

Its for Administrator use for circumstances where for example a small company may need old software to work but they cant afford to upgrade all of their systems to the latest windows.

Its not intended for general use by the public

Did you not read all the wiki I linked ? - Its stupid to advise this to the general public. There can be no doubt that using it does degrade anyones security, allowing some really serious exploits to be used by Man In The Middle attacks (external to your computer and router) .. Your firewall cannot protect anyone against its use.

Anyone who enables these old protocols and for example does online banking are vulnerable to such attacks.
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XenonS: If you use your gaming computer for making online banking, then you should stop altogether giving advices. You are not credible. For the sake of your good intentions howevewr I will ignore this stupid part of your reply.
Obviously my advice above is to make the game NMS running as intended, and not to be used on devices not intended for gaming (laptops or desktops for non-gaming purposes).
I'm not thinking about me, you have posted this advice in a public forum for anyone to read, there are a lot of gullible and less knowledgeable people come here for gaming advice and might think what you have posted is a good idea just to get some functions working.

As I said, its irresponsible to suggest such stupid ideas to the general public.

Read the Wiki

As for whether I know better than Micrososft ..

"The PCI Council suggested that organizations migrate from TLS 1.0 to TLS 1.1 or higher before June 30, 2018.[20][21] In October 2018, Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Mozilla jointly announced they would deprecate TLS 1.0 and 1.1 in March 2020."

Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Mozilla all made the right move imho.
Posted September 25, 2019
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XenonS: If you use your gaming computer for making online banking, then you should stop altogether giving advices. You are not credible. For the sake of your good intentions howevewr I will ignore this stupid part of your reply.
Obviously my advice above is to make the game NMS running as intended, and not to be used on devices not intended for gaming (laptops or desktops for non-gaming purposes).
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alt3rn1ty: I'm not thinking about me, you have posted this advice in a public forum for anyone to read, there are a lot of gullible and less knowledgeable people come here for gaming advice and might think what you have posted is a good idea just to get some functions working.

As I said, its irresponsible to suggest such stupid ideas to the general public.

Read the Wiki

As for whether I know better than Micrososft ..

"The PCI Council suggested that organizations migrate from TLS 1.0 to TLS 1.1 or higher before June 30, 2018.[20][21] In October 2018, Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Mozilla jointly announced they would deprecate TLS 1.0 and 1.1 in March 2020."

Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Mozilla all made the right move imho.
And all this goes unnoticed by developers in the gaming branch? Like Hello Games? Maybe it's there where you should address your concerns. Without the above change there is no online connectivity in the game for Windows 7 - and some Windows 10 users. How is that? And what do you propose as a working alternative? I'm glad to hear about...
From what you say, I should not even use Windows 7 anymore, but sorry pal, I find this OS very good for gaming - if updated correctly and with a good security suite installed.
Post edited September 25, 2019 by XenonS
Posted September 25, 2019
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alt3rn1ty: I'm not thinking about me, you have posted this advice in a public forum for anyone to read, there are a lot of gullible and less knowledgeable people come here for gaming advice and might think what you have posted is a good idea just to get some functions working.

As I said, its irresponsible to suggest such stupid ideas to the general public.

Read the Wiki

As for whether I know better than Micrososft ..

"The PCI Council suggested that organizations migrate from TLS 1.0 to TLS 1.1 or higher before June 30, 2018.[20][21] In October 2018, Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Mozilla jointly announced they would deprecate TLS 1.0 and 1.1 in March 2020."

Apple, Google, Microsoft, and Mozilla all made the right move imho.
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XenonS: And all this seems not to be noticed by developers in the gaming branch? Like Hello Games? Maybe it's there where you shoud address your concerns. Without the above change there is no online connectivity in the game for Windows 7 - and some Windows 10 users. How is that? And what do you propose as a working alternative? I'm glad to hear about...
HelloGames assume you are using the Galaxy or Steam Clients, or, the offline backup installers from GOG without any connectivity (the clue is in the word offline). I have not seen Hellogames endorse the procedures that you have proposed as good advice anywhere - They do not assume random forum participants will post workarounds for the none-connectivity of the offline backup installers by posting bad advice.

Thats all your doing, not Hellogames.

Are you trying to get everyone to use old protocols so that you can exploit them?. All you are doing here is trying to pick holes in what I am posting, what is your reason for doing that?.

I can reasonably assume the majority of gamers will not even consider having another machine for important communications, the majority who have probably never heard of such issues / exploits will use the same machine for everything.

What I propose is we use the Offline Backup installers as they were intended by Hellogames = Offline.
Or use the GOG Galaxy client.

When Hellogames first started making this game, half the issues with old SSL and newer TLS protocols were not an issue.

In hindsight Hellogames could advise people on older windows to upgrade .. But they cant really, thats down to individual circumstances / finances. Unfortunate for some, but thats the way the wind blows sometimes with technology and emerging issues.
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