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Neverwinter Nights seriesNWN 1 Enhanced Edition. Beamdog(97 posts)(97 posts)
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Posted December 07, 2017
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Taro94: -increased maximum memory for textures from 64MB to 2GB
-each armor part can now have separate color
-helmet and cloak hiding
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PeterScott: Wow, what an extensive list. Not.

Here, new features (not including bug fixes) of the latest Beta build. Now carry on with your hate and as of whether using Beamdog features will shrink the potential recipient base, we'll see about it, but what makes it interesting is your circular argument.

-Beamdog's EE sucks, doesn't offer anything apart from superficial changes!
-Here are some very useful features it provides even now.
-But using them by builders will make fewer people play their modules!
-Why?
-Because Beamdog's EE sucks and no one will want to play it!
-Why?
-Because it doesn't offer anything apart from superficial changes!
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PeterScott: Hardly, none of the "features" are worth the price of admission for most players. You have only listed a couple of "would be nice" things for Builders/Servers, if you already had a big user base for them. But first you have to convince large number of players to switch.

Why (Excluding your NWN Diamond FUD) the hell is any player who has already paid for NWN many times over by now (I have two boxed copies as well as a GOG version) going to pay for it again at double current rates?

Do you really think big sales will result from some minor repackaging work, on a game that is 15 years old, and has been regular on sale for less than $5, when the price is jacked up to $20? Just about anyone with the slightest interest in NWN already has it.

To make any headway in market share, Beamdog has to convince players like me, to buy again at a massive price increase. There is ZERO chance I am going buy it. I bet the majority of the player community feels the same way.
Yes, three new features IS an extensive list for two weeks' worth of an update. More will come soon, you can bash them all you like then and complain how little it is.

I'm done discussing here. It's entirely up to you whether you buy it or not.
Posted December 07, 2017
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Taro94: Yes, three new features IS an extensive list for two weeks' worth of an update. More will come soon, you can bash them all you like then and complain how little it is.
You aren't fooling us with comments like that, even if you are fooling yourself.
Posted December 07, 2017
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Taro94: Yes, three new features IS an extensive list for two weeks' worth of an update. More will come soon, you can bash them all you like then and complain how little it is.
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PeterScott: You aren't fooling us with comments like that, even if you are fooling yourself.
Right, it's a total lie that two weeks after announcing NWN:EE there is already an update with three new features in addition to bug fixes, right? I'm surely fooling myself by believing three new features have been added.
Posted December 07, 2017
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PeterScott: You aren't fooling us with comments like that, even if you are fooling yourself.
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Taro94: Right, it's a total lie that two weeks after announcing NWN:EE there is already an update with three new features in addition to bug fixes, right? I'm surely fooling myself by believing three new features have been added.
It's not just the features count it how extensive the features themselves.

The whole package It's nothing like an official NWN expansion that gave a whole new 20 hour high quality campaign, several new character classes, new feats, skills, etc...

Simply raising the limit on texture size isn't exactly a big feature, it probably changing one variable in the code. Weeks to develop that.

As far as bugs fixed, how important were they in fhe first place, compared to the module breaking bugs they introduced?

Fix some trivial bug (likely picked up community fixes already available), and introduce module breaking bugs is not a net gain.
Posted December 08, 2017
Imho the real issue is the price.
Posted December 09, 2017
Yeah the price is insane for a minorly changed Neverwinter Nights.
And in response to the Blatant Heretic who clearly enables beamdog's BS Taro94.

One. I myself would not pay an inflated ass price for something that gives negligible crap I'll never use.

Two. the only modders I would see who'd take advantage of that are programmers who only just now tried neverwinter after beamdog inevitably removes Neverwinter Nights Diamond Edition from the store. Because most of the people who mod Neverwinter Nights Diamond Edition would not be willing to pay a frigton to go and have the incredible joy of having to frigging convert the entire damn mod for this new 'Enhanced Edition', They'd more then likely just make the mod open source for the dedicated few who play Enhanced Edition who want this mod.

Three. Most of the people who likes playing mods won't touch Enhanced edition because it will take half a year for enough programmers to come into the enhanced edition community to fill it with mods.

Four. IT COSTS FORTY DOLLARS TO PREORDER THIS DAMN THING, THATS THE PRICE OF MGS V PRACTICALLY! There isn't even any lame pre-order crap! They are unashamedly blatantly robbing us!
Post edited December 09, 2017 by SwordMasta5
Posted December 09, 2017
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SwordMasta5: Because most of the people who mod Neverwinter Nights Diamond Edition would not be willing to pay a frigton to go and have the incredible joy of having to frigging convert the entire damn mod for this new 'Enhanced Edition', They'd more then likely just make the mod open source for the dedicated few who play Enhanced Edition who want this mod.
What mods are you talking about? Beamdog advertice that they wont break compatibility with old modules so stuff like Aylied saga should still work. And they are already incorporating stuff from client extender and community. Only mod I can think of that might be affected is PRC for compaigns. Maybe also Progect Q, but I'm not sure. Henchman AI shouldn't be affected as long as they do not edit ai scripts. Which I doubt they would.
Posted December 09, 2017
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SwordMasta5: Yeah the price is insane for a minorly changed Neverwinter Nights.
And in response to the Blatant Heretic who clearly enables beamdog's BS Taro94.

One. I myself would not pay an inflated ass price for something that gives negligible crap I'll never use.

Two. the only modders I would see who'd take advantage of that are programmers who only just now tried neverwinter after beamdog inevitably removes Neverwinter Nights Diamond Edition from the store. Because most of the people who mod Neverwinter Nights Diamond Edition would not be willing to pay a frigton to go and have the incredible joy of having to frigging convert the entire damn mod for this new 'Enhanced Edition', They'd more then likely just make the mod open source for the dedicated few who play Enhanced Edition who want this mod.

Three. Most of the people who likes playing mods won't touch Enhanced edition because it will take half a year for enough programmers to come into the enhanced edition community to fill it with mods.

Four. IT COSTS FORTY DOLLARS TO PREORDER THIS DAMN THING, THATS THE PRICE OF MGS V PRACTICALLY! There isn't even any lame pre-order crap! They are unashamedly blatantly robbing us!
All the modules are compatible (unless they heavily utilize NWNCX, but I don't know any modules that do).
And the EE costs $20 - $40 is for a Digital Deluxe version which includes the latter three premium modules and FLAC soundtrack of NWN, MP3 soundtrack of premium modules and some extra portraits. For the version covering everything in NWN:DE the price is $20.

Opinions are fine, lies are not.
Posted December 10, 2017
I think the price is perfectly fine for this game. You have a 20$ version and a 40$ one. If you can't afford that, well good luck in life!

And in 6 months it will be on sale 50% off ...
Posted December 10, 2017
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Taro94: And the EE costs $20 - $40 is for a Digital Deluxe version
Visit beamdog.com. Unless you know about it, the "Digital Deluxe" version is what's in your face, all the time. Not that $20 isn't already too much, for what you get. You double the price (actually, given the average sale price of $3 or less, far more than double) and I expect at least double the value. None of what you have presented here comes close to even 1% of the value of Diamond. In fact, the second doubling for the "deluxe" edition is even more of a joke, but I guess there is precedent in other digital games due to the Kickstarter effect. That doesn't even count the cost of incompatible EE servers and yet another compatibility flag on the mod sites (don't bother repeating that old mods work; that's not the point and you know it).

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Taro94: Opinions are fine, lies are not.
Poland, eh? That's the place where nobody ever makes mistakes? Oh, by the way, the original available here is NWN Diamond, not NWN DIamond Edition. What's NWN:DE? *Gasp* A lie to claim more linkage to the old version than EE deserves credit for!

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retsushi: I think the price is perfectly fine for this game.
I don't. If all old games were this expensive, I would just skip the whole thing and stick to the retail bargain bins, where I at least get a physical manual and possible physical extras for less than what I would pay for here. I still miss my pewter wizard and warrior figurines.

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retsushi: And in 6 months it will be on sale 50% off ...
The game has been around for 15 years. It's already had time to drop in price. That is, in fact, one of the nicest things about old games.. Why does it have to bump in price again? To thank Beamdog for buying the IP? Is it to thank them for "revitalizing" the community (but only for those who pay the Beamdog tax)? Is it to thank them for making the game in the first place (when that does not appear to be the case)? Note that even if the latter were the case, they already got paid for this game once.
Posted December 10, 2017
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retsushi: I think the price is perfectly fine for this game. You have a 20$ version and a 40$ one. If you can't afford that, well good luck in life!

And in 6 months it will be on sale 50% off ...
I has been regularly less than $5 in it's current form. 20$ is 4X that price.

Not to mention it is buying it again, so for many it's paying for for the update, than the original.
Posted December 10, 2017
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retsushi: I think the price is perfectly fine for this game. You have a 20$ version and a 40$ one. If you can't afford that, well good luck in life!

And in 6 months it will be on sale 50% off ...
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PeterScott: I has been regularly less than $5 in it's current form. 20$ is 4X that price.

Not to mention it is buying it again, so for many it's paying for for the update, than the original.
Recently NWN went full-on free, with the first mod showcase GOG had in quite a long gap.
Posted December 10, 2017
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darktjm: Poland, eh? That's the place where nobody ever makes mistakes? Oh, by the way, the original available here is NWN Diamond, not NWN DIamond Edition. What's NWN:DE? *Gasp* A lie to claim more linkage to the old version than EE deserves credit for!
Everyone can make mistakes. But spreading misinformation even unintentionally is not much better than lying. Please try to check your facts before you tell others something.
Post edited December 10, 2017 by Taro94
Posted December 10, 2017
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Taro94: Everyone can make mistakes. But spreading misinformation even unintentionally is not much better than lying. Please try to check your facts before you tell others something.
The civilized, adult response to a mistake (especially an obvious, easily made one) is to provide a correction, not to call the claimant a liar. Feel free to lament people's poor research skills, but don't just go and call them dishonest. Only if they continue making that mistake can they be held accountable. This is a forum consisting of presumably unpaid players of games. If someone says something wrong in an official capacity, it's OK to call it a lie, as their stake in what was said is much higher and they have no excuse not to know the truth (see e.g. the FCC's Net Neutrality FAQ).

Oh, and since nobody has called me out on it yet, I was mistaken when I implied or stated that Siege of Dragonspear was a standalone game. Only last week did I discover that it is actually an "expansion" to BG:EE. Sorry.
Posted December 10, 2017
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Taro94: Everyone can make mistakes. But spreading misinformation even unintentionally is not much better than lying. Please try to check your facts before you tell others something.
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darktjm: The civilized, adult response to a mistake (especially an obvious, easily made one) is to provide a correction, not to call the claimant a liar. Feel free to lament people's poor research skills, but don't just go and call them dishonest. Only if they continue making that mistake can they be held accountable. This is a forum consisting of presumably unpaid players of games. If someone says something wrong in an official capacity, it's OK to call it a lie, as their stake in what was said is much higher and they have no excuse not to know the truth (see e.g. the FCC's Net Neutrality FAQ).

Oh, and since nobody has called me out on it yet, I was mistaken when I implied or stated that Siege of Dragonspear was a standalone game. Only last week did I discover that it is actually an "expansion" to BG:EE. Sorry.
You're right in that I should have have said "misinformation" instead of "lies", so apologies for that. At the same time I believe an apology is also due if one's found out they've been spreading misinformation about a company, wheter there exist valid arguments for criticism or not.
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