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AdvThruGames: Do all of the changes listed in here look superficial to you?
https://www.beamdog.com/files/nwnee_release_notes.pdf
Yes.
Lol and if you hop onto beamdog's site you can see the outrageous pre-order prices. The tree doesn't fall far from the apple gentlemen, Beamdog truly takes after EA's shittyness. And frankly I find that I agree ENTIRELY with stig, this is just vehement greedy ripoffing of crap the community already made, and the only reason beamdog gets away with this crap is because everyone who wanted to play that game freaking gets it from beamdog because beamdog bleeding wipes out any competition. I wouldn't be surprised frankly if Beamdog starts cracking down on modders and appropriating their crap for dlc profits.

Frankly, it's hard not to sound like a christian crusader on the topic of jerusalem with crap like this, IT IS BS AND IT NEEDS TO STOP. But it never will. So I hope you purchasers of enhanced edition are happy, your allowing a bloodsucking leech to keep it's greedy ass ways going. While I wish GoG would put a stand to this, they probably wont.

And on a final note, I call forth by the power invested in me by the holy see, declare a crusade against Beamdog.
DEUS VULT!
Post edited December 06, 2017 by SwordMasta5
The enhanced edition seems ok being that its just started development, Depth of field doesn't work correctly yet. The only problem i have at the moment is its already selling newly created portraits that they consider too big a feature for the enhanced edition.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/744680/Neverwinter_Nights_Heroes_of_Neverwinter/
Post edited December 06, 2017 by Britishj
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Britishj: The enhanced edition seems ok being that its just started development, Depth of field doesn't work correctly yet. The only problem i have at the moment is its already selling newly created portraits that they consider too big a feature for the enhanced edition.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/744680/Neverwinter_Nights_Heroes_of_Neverwinter/
LISTEN WELL HERETIC! There are portrait mods for Neverwinter Nights Diamond Edition that are well and beyond better then this crap, and Second of all if 'Enhanced Edition' is purely for giving zoom in and out crap how is it enhanced? To me an enhanced edition is this:
Better Graphics
New Balanced Classes
New Weapons
A New Campaign
And Old class reworking (Like for example, why multiclassing into a Blackguard requires points into stealth. Lore I can understand for working out a deal with a demon but not stealth really)
And well thought out storyline edits to existing official campaigns.

DEUS VULT!
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Britishj: The enhanced edition seems ok being that its just started development, Depth of field doesn't work correctly yet. The only problem i have at the moment is its already selling newly created portraits that they consider too big a feature for the enhanced edition.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/744680/Neverwinter_Nights_Heroes_of_Neverwinter/
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SwordMasta5: LISTEN WELL HERETIC! There are portrait mods for Neverwinter Nights Diamond Edition that are well and beyond better then this crap, and Second of all if 'Enhanced Edition' is purely for giving zoom in and out crap how is it enhanced? To me an enhanced edition is this:
Better Graphics
New Balanced Classes
New Weapons
A New Campaign
And Old class reworking (Like for example, why multiclassing into a Blackguard requires points into stealth. Lore I can understand for working out a deal with a demon but not stealth really)
And well thought out storyline edits to existing official campaigns.

DEUS VULT!
Unfortunately the developers have covered all bases by repeatedly saying on their live streams "Everything is on the table when it comes to adding new features to the game" but then never specifying anything. I agree that better graphics should be included in the enhanced edition of the game instead of being sold as dlc. but new campaigns and classes i don't mind buying as dlc.
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Britishj: The enhanced edition seems ok being that its just started development, Depth of field doesn't work correctly yet. The only problem i have at the moment is its already selling newly created portraits that they consider too big a feature for the enhanced edition.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/744680/Neverwinter_Nights_Heroes_of_Neverwinter/
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SwordMasta5: LISTEN WELL HERETIC! There are portrait mods for Neverwinter Nights Diamond Edition that are well and beyond better then this crap, and Second of all if 'Enhanced Edition' is purely for giving zoom in and out crap how is it enhanced? To me an enhanced edition is this:
Better Graphics
New Balanced Classes
New Weapons
A New Campaign
And Old class reworking (Like for example, why multiclassing into a Blackguard requires points into stealth. Lore I can understand for working out a deal with a demon but not stealth really)
And well thought out storyline edits to existing official campaigns.

DEUS VULT!
Do you really want a a new Campaign from the people who did this:
https://www.gog.com/game/baldurs_gate_siege_of_dragonspear

We can be quite certain it would suck, and be an expensive add on. When there is much better available in the community for free.
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Britishj: The enhanced edition seems ok being that its just started development, Depth of field doesn't work correctly yet. The only problem i have at the moment is its already selling newly created portraits that they consider too big a feature for the enhanced edition.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/744680/Neverwinter_Nights_Heroes_of_Neverwinter/
Are they really going to be selling portraits. You can get thousands of them in the community for free.

The crux of the problem here is that much of what Beamdog profits from are much like, if not totally ripped off community content that you can get free.
Post edited December 06, 2017 by PeterScott
I hope they do not replace the actual diamond edition from my library with the enhanced edition. Has something like this ever happend?
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Katzapult: I hope they do not replace the actual diamond edition from my library with the enhanced edition. Has something like this ever happend?
At least about this part you don't need to be afraid.....GOG has never done this. (same like pulling game out of the store,) your purchase stays with you in the library so long GOG is still there.

And neither a free upgrade has happened :D
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Katzapult: I hope they do not replace the actual diamond edition from my library with the enhanced edition. Has something like this ever happend?
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Goodaltgamer: At least about this part you don't need to be afraid.....GOG has never done this. (same like pulling game out of the store,) your purchase stays with you in the library so long GOG is still there.

And neither a free upgrade has happened :D
There have been cases where a game would be updated to its Enhanced Edition (Witcher series, for example), but it hasn't happened with any Beamdog releases, so I wouldn't expect this to happen.
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PeterScott: Yes.
From a builder's perspective alone (that is, mine): area instancing and being able to tag effects and get them by tags alone are some incredibly useful functions and FAR from superficial.

From a server administrator's perspective, having players preload hak-paks before logging in (without risking some of them not using NWNCX and plugins required to achieve the same effect in 1.69) and having again the more secure method of player authentication in the form of a new master server are again features FAR from superficial.

From a player's perspective, having the game optimized for new systems, bugs fixed, premium modules available for purchase again (yes, you could play them in 1.69 with the use of my authenticator generator tool, but it wasn't entirely legal) are again features not at all superficial. In spite of my best efforts, I could never make NWN behave the way I'd like it to, with often start-up crashes and alt-tabbing issues. These and more are gone in the NWN:EE.

This is not everything that NWN:EE provides even at this very moment and new stuff is being added continuously.

If all that looks superficial to you, then by all means, enjoy your NWN Diamond Edition. However, the future of this game and the only real chance of it getting some more deserved love lies in the Enhanced Edition. And judging by NWN:EE's current beta state and its continuous development, that future looks rather bright to me and many others.
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PeterScott: Yes.
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Taro94: From a builder's perspective alone (that is, mine): area instancing and being able to tag effects and get them by tags alone are some incredibly useful functions and FAR from superficial.

From a server administrator's perspective, having players preload hak-paks before logging in (without risking some of them not using NWNCX and plugins required to achieve the same effect in 1.69) and having again the more secure method of player authentication in the form of a new master server are again features FAR from superficial.

From a player's perspective, having the game optimized for new systems, bugs fixed, premium modules available for purchase again (yes, you could play them in 1.69 with the use of my authenticator generator tool, but it wasn't entirely legal) are again features not at all superficial. In spite of my best efforts, I could never make NWN behave the way I'd like it to, with often start-up crashes and alt-tabbing issues. These and more are gone in the NWN:EE.

This is not everything that NWN:EE provides even at this very moment and new stuff is being added continuously.

If all that looks superficial to you, then by all means, enjoy your NWN Diamond Edition. However, the future of this game and the only real chance of it getting some more deserved love lies in the Enhanced Edition. And judging by NWN:EE's current beta state and its continuous development, that future looks rather bright to me and many others.
Are you part of Beamdog's NWN:EE team?
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Klumpen0815: Are you part of Beamdog's NWN:EE team?
Such questions are high-risk high-profit ones.

On one hand, the truth may be you're asking this question a Beamdog agent with hidden agenda. In that case, they'll think "Oh shit, he's onto me. How shameful!" and maybe go and rethink their life.

On the other hand, the person you're asking this could be simply another fan of the game, active in the community for a few years and someone who dares to not jump on the hate train. In that case, they'll just laugh at how paranoid you are for believing anyone who has a different opinion to be a Beamdog employee.

It's not worth it.
Post edited December 07, 2017 by Taro94
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Taro94: From a builder's perspective alone (that is, mine): area instancing and being able to tag effects and get them by tags alone are some incredibly useful functions and FAR from superficial.
Builders should realize that by using Beamdog changes, shrinks their audience to negligible.

Beamdog doesn't increase your audience, it drastically shrinks it.

From a server administrator's perspective, having players preload hak-paks before logging in (without risking some of them not using NWNCX and plugins required to achieve the same effect in 1.69) and having again the more secure method of player authentication in the form of a new master server are again features FAR from superficial.
Same issue here. Any server that switches to Beamdog, loses its userbase, and is dead.

From a player's perspective, having the game optimized for new systems, bugs fixed, premium modules available for purchase again (yes, you could play them in 1.69 with the use of my authenticator generator tool, but it wasn't entirely legal) are again features not at all superficial. In spite of my best efforts, I could never make NWN behave the way I'd like it to, with often start-up crashes and alt-tabbing issues. These and more are gone in the NWN:EE.

This is not everything that NWN:EE provides even at this very moment and new stuff is being added continuously.
I have been running NWN since 2003 on Windows XP, Windows 7 and Windows 10. Works just fine. You are mostly using FUD against NWN Diamond, to make a value argument for NWN:EE. It isn't particularly compelling.

What new stuff has been added that wasn't in the original list of "enhancements"?

If "new stuff is being added continuously", there must be a big list of new items, right?

Though I bet that isn't the case, because you are just acting as a disingenuous apologist for beamdog.

Trading on FUD for NWN:Diamond, and false praise for Beamdog.
Post edited December 07, 2017 by PeterScott
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PeterScott: What new stuff has been added that wasn't in the original list of "enhancements"?

It "new stuff is being added continuously", there must be a big list of new items?

Though I bet that isn't the case, because you are just acting as a disingenuous apologist for beamdog.
-increased maximum memory for textures from 64MB to 2GB
-each armor part can now have separate color
-helmet and cloak hiding

Here, new features (not including bug fixes) of the latest Beta build. Now carry on with your hate and as of whether using Beamdog features will shrink the potential recipient base, we'll see about it, but what makes it interesting is your circular argument.

-Beamdog's EE sucks, doesn't offer anything apart from superficial changes!
-Here are some very useful features it provides even now.
-But using them by builders will make fewer people play their modules!
-Why?
-Because Beamdog's EE sucks and no one will want to play it!
-Why?
-Because it doesn't offer anything apart from superficial changes!
Post edited December 07, 2017 by Taro94
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Taro94: -increased maximum memory for textures from 64MB to 2GB
-each armor part can now have separate color
-helmet and cloak hiding
Wow, what an extensive list. Not.

Here, new features (not including bug fixes) of the latest Beta build. Now carry on with your hate and as of whether using Beamdog features will shrink the potential recipient base, we'll see about it, but what makes it interesting is your circular argument.

-Beamdog's EE sucks, doesn't offer anything apart from superficial changes!
-Here are some very useful features it provides even now.
-But using them by builders will make fewer people play their modules!
-Why?
-Because Beamdog's EE sucks and no one will want to play it!
-Why?
-Because it doesn't offer anything apart from superficial changes!
Hardly, none of the "features" are worth the price of admission for most players. You have only listed a couple of "would be nice" things for Builders/Servers, if you already had a big user base for them. But first you have to convince large number of players to switch.

Why (Excluding your NWN Diamond FUD) the hell is any player who has already paid for NWN many times over by now (I have two boxed copies as well as a GOG version) going to pay for it again at double current rates?

Do you really think big sales will result from some minor repackaging work, on a game that is 15 years old, and has been regular on sale for less than $5, when the price is jacked up to $20? Just about anyone with the slightest interest in NWN already has it.

To make any headway in market share, Beamdog has to convince players like me, to buy again at a massive price increase. There is ZERO chance I am going buy it. I bet the majority of the player community feels the same way.