I honestly fail to see how making the EE basically Diamond and making all the stuff you had to purchase separately from Diamond back in the day a separate purchase *again* counts as "shady". (Especially since you can get all of it in one swoop in the Deluxe edition if you're so inclined.) And hey, now when you purchase Pirates or Wyvern Crown, they'll actually *work*!

I'm glad Beamdog is working on this title. They keep getting better at what they do. I played the original back in the day, and I'm glad someone today is getting those classic work great for a majority of new player. And guess what? I'm happy to pay for it.

Nothing is free, and what is worse, is getting a crappy game on mobile with IAP.

All the extra they sell, who cares! Worst thing you'll pay 40$ for the game and extra. Back in the day it used to cost around 60$, and each add-on you had to pay for it.....

Each can think how they want, but in the end, gaming matters. And if this game sell well, like the other EE, more thing will come in the future. Other company has great IP sleeping that they can work if there is a market for it.

Don't be cheap, buy the game play the game!!

In what way are Beamdog the developers? I thought BioWare made that game, and Atari published it. I don't see Beamdog anywhere in the game credits.

Atari don't care about this game, Bioware don't care about this game. Beamdog didn't make this game, they work on this game. But Beamdog crew used to make the game 15 years ago.

But who read the credit anyway?

Bioware is dead. On the other hand, they cared enough about the game to make free updates and even integrate community patches into free updates well after the game was making them any money. It's a pity that the free Linux binaries that they hosted until their demise have now disappeared.
But what work? What are they trying to do? The last team that wanted to improve NWN made NWN2. If Beamdog is really interested in improving the NWN experience, and they actually have the old NWN team as you claim, why don't they just make NWN3? It's not like they don't own the rights to do so, unlike anyone else who might want to make NWN3.

Did they really work on the game 15 years ago? I see no proof of that. Your original statement, and this as well, implies that the majority of the people who are responsible for what NWN became are currently working at Beamdog. Do you have a list? I see lots of names in the credit list for NWN (not counting the expansions), and only one of them definitely works at Beamdog. It's hard to say how much of an influence the CEO had/has on the game's design, but they are always listed in the credits, anyway.

In fact, if the people who are responsible for the game are actually working on this, I expect a lot more enthusiasm, and plans for a much more ambitious improvement. Take Wasteland for example. Yes, Wasteland 1 was re-released with only superficial improvements (well, I hate to have to always look stuff up in the manual, so for me, the improvements made the game more playable). However, they didn't do it just as a cash grab -- it was part of a larger plan to release Wasteland 2.

Instead, Beamdog treats the games like some sort of sacred gem that will self-destruct if they do too much work on it. This does not sound like the actions of someone who is intimate with the product.

Wow. the vitriol here is absurd. If you already own the damn game, good on you. This won't affect you one bit.

If you don't already own it, I highly recommend waiting for the Enhanced Edition. The EEs for the previous games they've released are fantastic and well worth a few extra dollars for the modern support.

I own all the enhanced editions and was glad to move on from the creaky old original releases.

Actually it will affect current owners, because it will split the community.

Beamdog plans to introduce some scripting/server changes. That will make the refresh incompatible with original game.

Beamdogs version remains mostly compatible old mods (thought they says some community content will need to be updated), but anything built on beamdogs version will not be compatible with original owners.

If this EE is going to be good or even better than the original, the point is: we need to have the option to purchase wich version we want. By removing the original from the store is like Beamdog is afraid that those new versions aren't as good as the originals, "old" ones. And judging by their past, it appers to be the case on every release - even in Planescape, where I read some people claiming that they have done right on this one.

If a company really wants to revitalize a game (on PC) and all that, they could get their hands on the game (and thus the shares on the selling by actual stores) and make a really good patch, not an entire new version. Every time this happens, the community is automatically splited, there are many cases of that even on recent titles (Skyrim with its Special Edition, Dark Souls 2 with the Sotfs, and so on).

I really like the ideia of updating a game, but I hate the ideia of removing an option to force people buy your product even if they just want the original one.

Guess is time for this: https://gog.com/wishlist/games/do_not_remove_the_original_neverwinter_from_the_store

I've never played any of this games yet, but I do like to play the original ones before any remaster/remake. Luckily, I already have Neverwinter Diamonds here on GoG, but sadly I don't get Planescape when I had the chance. I would trade keys for the originals BG I + II, ID and PT if there is a chance, since I don't want to support a company that rely on this practice of removing options so their product becomes the only option available.

I think beamdog has learned from their past transgressions that they're not ready to make changes to good games. Sorry - wise, at least.

I hope that they are able to revitalize nwn, make it fresh, add spring support for bigger and better worlds.

But I'm with most folks in this thread. Their enhanced editions were fair at best. In places, absolutely amateur. Not even amateur. Absolutely without excuse is more apt.

That said, ain't no way I'm preordering. And I might get it if it really adds something. But I have to say, they need to do better work to get into the good graces of gamers.

Burn me twice, shame on me sorry of stuff.

I too hope it adds to the longevity of the game. But, people are rightly skeptical. NWN was the first game I bought here and am still playing today.

Unlikely. Beamdog operates more like house flipping.

Use some paint to hide the cracks, and double the price.

What they have shown are very superficial changes. No sign that they have really made changes to the core code.

They have added some lame and uneeded global Post Process effects ( contrast , vibrancy, blur).

The so called "UI scaling" is just a direct doubling of all UI elements when you hit 2560x1440. But they are based on the same old code and are other wise identical so they get blurry. You can't use them at 1920x1080 since they would be too big, so if you are hoping for UI scaling on a 1080p laptop, you are out of luck.

See attached image, the right image cut from Beamdogs 2560x1440 sample scaled UI, the left is from my game but double sized manually.

Just double sizing everything is a cheap hack. Writing a scalable UI is work. They chose the hack.

Everything about this is superficial changes leading to a doubled price.

As this thread indicates buy before the price doubles, you really won't get anything of substance for the extra money when the EE ships.

I realized I have a code for this game, post it here?

A friend of mine wants this game. Can you send it in private? plz ;-;

Better way, contact zeogold or Schizo.

They are doing giveaways. Zeogold for the international forum and Schizo2015 in the German forum

Just use chat to contact them ;)

Do not post the codes directly, please *making puppy eyes* ;)