Easy there, tiger. There is no need to be like that.

From everything I heard in the Twitch stream - all the stuff you listed above is included with the "deluxe" edition. Quite how much more than the standard version that is, I do not know.

"Can I get everything as a single package?

Yes! All of the release day content is available in a single discounted bundle as Neverwinter Nights: Enhanced Edition Digital Deluxe."

There is lots of information on it here: https://www.beamdog.com/nwn_faq

It's not ideal I admit, but it is one of my favourite games of all time so I am biased towards it instantly.

Believe what you want, I honestly do not care - but the very notion that someone passionate about a game they love is instantly in league with the developers is a tired trope and just goes to show that you are the kind of person that likes to attack people to make themselves feel better.

It's clear that you are not interested in what they are doing and that's fine, but it would be nice to have a cordial conversation without it turning into the fanboys vs haters crap.

May I interfere?

I think you both like the game, right?

And you are just presenting the two sides of the same medal/coin ;)

One being happy about there being a 'remake' and the other just being afraid of being scammed.

And I am in the middle :D

I am torn on this subject myself, glad to hear that they want to improve this gem, but afraid that they will just try to scam us (again?<<).
To be fair, in the old days this would have been considered a patch, just a simple freaking patch. And now? Am I right?
So I do tend to go more with the notion presented by Stig, just out of this reason.
But on the other hand, I do have to agree with Jim with his notion of word-choice ;) just saying ;)

First you tried to claim that Beamdog would not be selling the soundtracks separately, and all that - like they did every time before. That is a desperate attempt at damage-control if I ever saw it. "But, but, but they will be nice now. They have a different business model!" No they didn't and every indication suggested otherwise.

Then you try to spam their deluxe version as if that is some sort of fantastic deal. Beamdog being such a great bunch of people that allows the fans to buy NWN and all the extras for 30 dollars more than it costs now.


If you were passionate about your "favorite game" you wouldn't be cheering for the fact that it is being removed from the stores and getting replaced by a slightly modified one that costs 3 times more.

You are trying to sell something.

Wrong again - at the point in time we were having the conversation, you were assuming this based on previous experience. Now we know more you can give yourself a pat on the back for being right, but it doesn't change the fact that you didn't know any of that afor sure at the time.
So we've sunk to putting words in my mouth and furthering this "damage-control" angle, have we? I can see this is going absolutely nowhere.
Yeah, guess what I did: I went on their site for information and posted a link when I saw it pertained to what we were talking about.
I am looking forward to what they bring to the table for a game I cannot get enough of. I have already said in this very thread that I do not think it's ideal, but you seem incapable of recognising that. End. Of. Story.
LOL. Right. You are trolling and lying. Great conversation we got going here.

...and as I can see where this thread is going I will leave it there. Life lesson for you Stig: You don't have to agree with everyone all the time, but you can still talk to them like a human being instead of attacking them when you disagree.

Nobody is afraid of being scammed. The issue is that a classic rpg, yet again is being hijacked by Beamdog, and they are removing the original from the stores to make sure only their version is the one that sells. Sells for 3 times more + extras, I might add.

This is the 5th time they do this. And every single time a Beamdog emplyee pops in to try and do damage control\sell the game too.

https://www.gog.com/forum/baldurs_gate_series/regarding_the_removal_of_the_original_ie_games_from_sale_on_gog/page1

Good old Julius was the previous one. Ran off after he got exposed.

I appreciate some sensible comments, Stig seems to be running away with himself.

I still have reservations myself, but I have to admit to being intrigued by what they have planned.

And what did I say?

1. No I knew beforehand. Everyone did. You just tried to deny it.

2. Like I said. You tried to reduce the fallout by claiming Beamdog "might not do this again". That is doing damage-control. And those are your words.

3. Sure you did. You tried to portray their "deluxe edition" in some sort of positive light, without adding a single word about what their other deluxe editions cost.

4. All they are adding to the game are some mods that are already out there for free. Some slight graphics updates that are little more than a patch. And that somehow equals removing the classic verision = acceptable?


You might want to point out that the EE versions of NWN will be using their own protocol for servers as well. Meaning you have to own the EE version to play it online now. Missed that bit, did you? Beamdog isn't talking about it too loudly either.

And stop playing the victim. I disagreed with you and still spoke to you like a human being. Playing the victim-card in order to try and safe face doesn't work anymore. 2015 is over.
I was just adding to your point, not disagreeing with you. Sorry if I was unclear.

talking about sensible and ;)

I do understand Stig, it seems to get foul practice nowadays, to just keep milking us, this can really get your blood boiling :D
I for myself, decided to vote with my wallet, just wait till it gets cheaper.
I am not willing (anymore) to be a paying alpha tester
I am not willing to pay full price for a simple patch
Hence I keep my money and spend it on other stuff, like some other good old games :D

On occasion I do buy new ones, yes, like with Banished, great game and not a remilk :D

Reservations: one problem nowadays (and could get your blood boiling again as well) the false promises being made prior....(did somebody say No mans sky :D )

Just saying ;)

first off: okay, was sounding a wee bit different ;)

Stig, calm down, would you please ;)

Again two sides of the same medal, Jim has a more positive approach, yours is more negative.

I do tend to agree (out of experience) with most of your notions....BUT swinging the two handed sword in here...why? ;)

You are right in remembering/informing people about prior broken promises/failed whatever, good so, and I think even Jim doesn't disagree with it ;)

But to be fair and square we will not know for sure till it is out, right?

And no reason to get get into (was trying to make a joke about blood-lust used as an attribute, but failed to remember the class which uses it :D ).......sorry :D so just in normal words:
This can be done without the above, or? Everyone is sometimes typing something in a hurry.....right?.

What do you find intriguing about this?

No he started defending it as soon as it was announced. He is also deliberately skipping over the negatives that have been revealed so far too. The server protocol only working with the EE version, for example.

It has already been confirmed that Beamdog is selling the Extras for NWN1. Jim even listed it up himself. So...if they are selling it, like they say they are, no way the Classic version will be available for sail with all the extreas included as before?

Beamdog is doing what they did with the 4 other games they got their hands on, and it has been confirmed.



And just for the record. Beamdog has already started contradicting themselves in their own FAQ.

Will mods for Neverwinter Nights work on Neverwinter Nights: Enhanced Edition?
Some mods will require updating before they are compatible with Neverwinter Nights: Enhanced Edition.

Hi Stig,

hmmm.....
hmmmm.....
even longer hmmmmmmmm.......;)

I read his thread now 5 times (not joking( and what I read is that somebody (Jim) was euphoric but also using directly phrases like
"If it does turn out to be a mess, then fine, the backlash will emerge. If, however, it turns out to be good"
Post 8.

Riiiiight? ;)

Unfortunate they seem to do the same as before, hence I said, nothing wrong with warning fellow gamers.....riiiiiight ???? ;)

And just for the record as you said so nicely ;)
The first one to get blood rage, was you ;)

Hence why I jumped in trying to calm the waves down a bit to bring your message across:
Buyers be aware. and Get the classic while it is still there

This is a rightful warning which Jim did get and acknowledged (and hopefully others). But , me thinks, this could have been done in a more friendly way.

I can not say that he was defending them all the way......He was siding on the euphoric side were as you on the pessimistic side. Nothing wrong with both views, or?
In one point he is absolutely right, we will know for SURE what they screwed up (or not) once the game is released, right?

Good warnings can bring devs back to the drawing boards, if those warnings bring up a shit storm and force them too rethink their position, which I assume is part of your message/warning, right?

And pointing out failed promises and similar, which you did, is the right and good way!!!!!! ( I think I can speak for this for Jim here as well). BUT your message IMHO would have more weight and meaning without ....... let's use boxing terms.....punches below the waistline, right? ;)
If somebody would be worse of those attacks, it would be the devs, but not a fellow gamer being euphoric about a 'remake' of a really good game, right?

PS: I really took my time to write this post, trying to word it the best way ;)
EDIT:
PPS, sorry for the long post ;)