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Neverwinter Nights: Enhanced Edition on GOG will happen. More news soon!
Source: http://blog.beamdog.com/2018/06/june-29-livestream-recap.html
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RadonGOG: Neverwinter Nights: Enhanced Edition on GOG will happen. More news soon!
Source: http://blog.beamdog.com/2018/06/june-29-livestream-recap.html
Hard to get excited about the price doubling soon, for questionable/negligible benefit. Much more than double really, because before EE, NWN used to go on sale for $5 or less on a regular basis.

It hasn't been on sale once since NWN EE was announced. Apparently when Beamdog got the rights to do NWN:EE it came with the rights to stop sale prices on NWN on GOG as well.
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RadonGOG: Neverwinter Nights: Enhanced Edition on GOG will happen. More news soon!
Source: http://blog.beamdog.com/2018/06/june-29-livestream-recap.html
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PeterScott: Hard to get excited about the price doubling soon, for questionable/negligible benefit. Much more than double really, because before EE, NWN used to go on sale for $5 or less on a regular basis.

It hasn't been on sale once since NWN EE was announced. Apparently when Beamdog got the rights to do NWN:EE it came with the rights to stop sale prices on NWN on GOG as well.
Well, would it be better if it never lands here? I mean on the long term!

Just look at BG EE, BG II EE and IWD EE right now: The new patches look like decent work. I´m sad that they haven´t remade the interface like they did for PST EE yet, but hey, maybe that´s still to come.

Yes, it is probably not so great right now, but maybe in a few years.
From what I heard during the stream, it's now up to GOG to release the game.

So basically it's GOG waiting for the right time to release the game.
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RadonGOG: Yes, it is probably not so great right now, but maybe in a few years.
You seriously want people to spend money on something because it might get better in a few years (discounting that it might also get worse in a few years, of course)? The only thing you're guaranteed to get if you buy now is what they are selling you right now (and even then only if it's DRM-free; otherwise, they could even pull that rug out if they wanted to). Whatever else they did was only relevant during the pre-purchase advertising stage. Developers (not just Beamdog, but all of them) are full of promises, sometimes even sincere ones, that get dropped once budget and time are factored in. After all, what do they care after they've already made you buy it? Also, I like PS:T's old interface just fine.
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retsushi: So basically it's GOG waiting for the right time to release the game.
So I guess that means that any Steam bindings (such as the convenient Steam Workshop uploader in the editor making modules inaccessible outside of Steam) have been broken. Good. I didn't read/listen to/watch the "stream", and have no interest in verifying this myself, so I'll take your word for it.
I asked the question to Trent and Phil during the stream. Communication went back & forth between Beamdog and GOG. And now it seems it's up to GOG to release the game.

They are probably waiting the the best release window
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RadonGOG: Yes, it is probably not so great right now, but maybe in a few years.
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darktjm: You seriously want people to spend money on something because it might get better in a few years (discounting that it might also get worse in a few years, of course)? (...)
NO! That´s not what I said or what neither the rest of the posting nor the context implied.
PeterScott sounded like he didn´t want NWN EE on GOG at all, forever. That´s all. I wanted to present a reason why that wouldn´t be cool!
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RadonGOG: NO!
Sorry, I guess I misread your intent. I didn't realize you were willing to wait until NWN:EE adds enough value to NWN for gog users. I thought you wanted it on gog as soon as possible.
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RadonGOG: PeterScott sounded like he didn´t want NWN EE on GOG at all, forever. That´s all.
Forever is a very long time. I'm still not interested in Baldur's Gate EE after all these years, but that still doesn't mean forever. I'm also not sure why you care if PeterScott (who likely isn't gog or Beamdog staff and already owns NWN) will ever warm up to NWN EE.
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RadonGOG: I wanted to present a reason why that wouldn´t be cool!
Yes, and that reason was: "it might get better some day". The exact thing I was arguing against. Once the EE arrives at gog, the old version will no longer be directly available (if the past is any indicator). Wanting to get the EE here as soon as possible means wanting people to buy it instead of the original as soon as possible. Of course Beamdog has already raised the price indirectly, as PeterScott pointed out, so I guess it's not much worse.
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RadonGOG: NO!
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darktjm: Sorry, I guess I misread your intent. (...)
And I´m sorry for not making my point more clear. I´ll try now what I mean with all that long term stuff...

1st: GOG got sales. A lot of them, and the discounts tend to become very high over the years. Therefor all the pricing stuff tends to become quite irrelevent in the end.
2nd: Many users have complained about Beamdog selling the soundtrack as seperate products. At the same time the EEs come bundled with the originals which come bundled with original (MP3 low bitrate) soundtracks. Therefor, yes, it would have been nicer if beamdog bundled the FLAC and MP3 high bitrate versions with the EE, but it isn´t like a downgrade when new EEs pop up and consume the originals.
3rd: Although some of the features of the EEs might not look worth the efford right now, time goes by. Not only for you, but for your systems as well. Playing modded PST on a FHD-Screen is still okay, but modded PST on an UHD-Screen? At that point, the EEs optimizations really kick in! (speaking from my personal experience)
And that isn´t the only situation: Playing modded PST at home you might not care about the engine improvements, but on a train or so they are a real good help. Goes on with other features in the InfinityEngineRemasters and I guess it´s quite similar for NWN EE as well.
Once again, EEs and originals got/ will get bundled. You won´t have to pick the EE up once the time has come due to system changes, due to patches folded in, ect. The EE doesn´t have to appear then, but is already availible on GOG.
4th: Most important for me, GOGers are able to shape the future of the EEs starting the day they´ll land here. Before that point it´s only up to others. Not good at all. On the other hand it´s always good if GOG doesn´t present unpolished stuff to the consumer base. Therefor a balance has to be found.
5th: Well, the EEs are out and folks have recognized it. It´s on the wishlist and got near to 800 votes right now. That alone is a reason for them to land here at all.
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RadonGOG: And I´m sorry for not making my point more clear. I´ll try now what I mean with all that long term stuff...
And I'm sorry I posted in this thread at all. Most of your points (and others) have already been discussed in the 6-8 other NWN:EE threads on gog. Beamdog owns the rights to NWN, and can do whatever they want, and they don't need my (or your, or PeterScott's) approval to do so.
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darktjm: Sorry, I guess I misread your intent. (...)
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RadonGOG: And I´m sorry for not making my point more clear. I´ll try now what I mean with all that long term stuff...

1: GOG got sales. A lot of them, and the discounts tend to become very high over the years. Therefor all the pricing stuff tends to become quite irrelevent in the end.

2: Once again, EEs and originals got/ will get bundled. You won´t have to pick the EE up once the time has come due to system changes, due to patches folded in, ect. The EE doesn´t have to appear then, but is already availible on GOG.

3: Well, the EEs are out and folks have recognized it. It´s on the wishlist and got near to 800 votes right now. That alone is a reason for them to land here at all.
1: Sales don't make prices irrelevant. Prices that are twice as high at regular are twice as high on sale as well, and when an item is considered newer, the sales tend to be less good as well. So the sale price for NWN EE will be more than double what it is for NWN regular.

2: I haven't seen any sign that the original NWN game is bundled with EE. Also EE is incompatible for online games with the original game. That means if your friends have the original game, you won't be able to play online with them.
This is one of the worse things about EE for the NWN community because it splits and fragments the community into two incompatible parts for online players. NWN EE is likely to be in the minority of that split for a LONG time, meaning you are paying more money to access less players.

3: 800 votes. That is meaningless. Many games have 10 000+ votes.
It will be coming none the less!

It's been announced, confirmed and the release it... Soon I hope
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PeterScott: 3: 800 votes. That is meaningless. Many games have 10 000+ votes.
In particular, "Do not remove the original Neverwinter from the store" has over 1200 votes. Not that they are mutually exclusive. In any case, a popularity contest by the very low percentage of gog users who actually use the wishlist will not affect Beamdog's decisions, anyway. I'm not even sure they affect gog's decisions.
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RadonGOG: 4th: Most important for me, GOGers are able to shape the future of the EEs starting the day they´ll land here. Before that point it´s only up to others. Not good at all.
edit: I had a response for #4 above, complete with a gif that wouldn't attach, and then a youtube link to the same 9-second animation, but I decided against it. Instead, I'll state the actual reason I posted in this thread to begin with, since it isn't obvious:

You guys like to say that "it's all up to gog" now. This sounds to me like the old "gog is dragging their feet" argument applied against numerous recent releases. Maybe gog had (and still has) a valid reason for not wanting the EE on gog. What has changed in the EE that makes it a better value for gog customers than it was before? All you provide is quotes from Beamdog saying that negotiations are done, and it's just gog now.

I repeat: What has changed in the EE that makes it a better value for gog customers than it was before? Dragging out the same old arguments in favor of the EE does not answer this question. I don't pay attention to what Beamdog has to say like you do, so maybe something has changed, and I'm just not aware of it. Please, enlighten me.
Post edited July 02, 2018 by darktjm
It is, according to Beamdog, up to GOG to release the game. No one said they are dragging their feet. They will release the game when it's the best window for them
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retsushi: It is, according to Beamdog, up to GOG to release the game. No one said they are dragging their feet. They will release the game when it's the best window for them
I'll sell you my old, broken plastic comb for $1000. Now it's entirely on you to agree to the sale. Beamdog has shifted the blame for the now over 3-month delay of a gog EE release to gog. I'm sure they are completely honest and forthright about it, this time.

I repeat: What has changed in the EE that makes it a better value for gog customers than it was before? Do I need to be specific, and say "before" means March 27?
Post edited July 02, 2018 by darktjm