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Heretic + Hexen CollectionRunning on Dosbox AND still no Linux/Mac versions(16 posts)(16 posts)
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Posted December 22, 2020
Hi
I just bought those games I love for the fourth time in my life.
I'm happy with my purchase
BUT
I can't possibly see why games running under Dosbox could not have Mac or Linux versions, where Dosbox exists and runs perfectly. Same goes for Doom, or a number of other old software pieces on GoG.
Licensing reasons?
Laziness?
Both? (i.e. Laziness to negotiate with Bethesda for these versions when it's technically straightforward to make them run)
In the meanwhile I'll just extract the archive to get the .wad files and run them in Dosbox or some custom engine.
Cheers
PR
Post edited December 22, 2020 by poissonradieux
Posted December 22, 2020
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poissonradieux: Hi
I just bought those games I love for the fourth time in my life.
I'm happy with my purchase
BUT
I can't possibly see why games running under Dosbox could not have Mac or Linux versions, where Dosbox exists and runs perfectly. Same goes for Doom, or a number of other old software pieces on GoG.
Licensing reasons?
Laziness?
Both? (i.e. Laziness to negotiate with Bethesda for these versions when it's technically straightforward to make them run)
In the meanwhile I'll just extract the archive to get the .wad files and run them in Dosbox or some custom engine.
Cheers
PR
What you can do is download a source port such as GZdoom or Chocolate Doom, which can play Heretic and Hexen. There is is Hexen 2 source port called Hammer of Thyrion. Point these to your game files, and you should be able to play these classic games without a problem without a DOS emulator.
Posted December 22, 2020
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poissonradieux: Hi
I just bought those games I love for the fourth time in my life.
I'm happy with my purchase
BUT
I can't possibly see why games running under Dosbox could not have Mac or Linux versions, where Dosbox exists and runs perfectly. Same goes for Doom, or a number of other old software pieces on GoG.
Licensing reasons?
Laziness?
Both? (i.e. Laziness to negotiate with Bethesda for these versions when it's technically straightforward to make them run)
In the meanwhile I'll just extract the archive to get the .wad files and run them in Dosbox or some custom engine.
Cheers
PR
Literally, all you have to do is download one of the many sourceports for Heretic and Hexen that currently exist:

https://www.gog.com/forum/heretic_hexen_collection/heretic_and_hexen_1_sourceports
Posted December 22, 2020
extract windows gog packs: innoextract
https://constexpr.org/innoextract/
use innoextract to dump the contents so you can use files (without wine)
Posted December 23, 2020
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poissonradieux: Hi
I just bought those games I love for the fourth time in my life.
I'm happy with my purchase
BUT
I can't possibly see why games running under Dosbox could not have Mac or Linux versions, where Dosbox exists and runs perfectly. Same goes for Doom, or a number of other old software pieces on GoG.
Licensing reasons?
Laziness?
Both? (i.e. Laziness to negotiate with Bethesda for these versions when it's technically straightforward to make them run)
In the meanwhile I'll just extract the archive to get the .wad files and run them in Dosbox or some custom engine.
Cheers
PR
I'm guessing a mix between licensing and and not enough time/resources to devote to Mac/Linux compatibility testing.

In any case, it's a non-issue for Mac/Lin users; you can just use innoextract or just run the installer in WINE, and then use the requisite .WAD files in GZDoom, Doomsday, or Zandronum.
Posted December 23, 2020
Hi all
First of all thanks for your replies.
I guess I was not clear enough : I'm aware of the open source engines which exist currently for all the old id and Raven software titles. I'm also quite at ease with Wine or Innoextract. Reading this thread will hopefully point other in the right direction.
What I really don't understand is the many (MANY) titles running under Dosbox and missing Mac/Linux versions.
A prepackaged software is much easier to use than having to extract and install the game manually. It's not that I don't want to / won't do it, it's just a care for convenience.
Testing should not be the issue here : a game running fine under Dosbox on Windows will run fine under Dosbox elsewhere.
I really don't see the point of not proposing it as a self-installing archive.
Take care and merry Xmas.
PR
Post edited December 23, 2020 by ASTICOTJOYEUX
Posted December 27, 2020
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catbox_fugue: extract windows gog packs: innoextract
https://constexpr.org/innoextract/
use innoextract to dump the contents so you can use files (without wine)
not all heros wear cloaks
Posted December 27, 2020
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ASTICOTJOYEUX: Hi all
First of all thanks for your replies.
I guess I was not clear enough : I'm aware of the open source engines which exist currently for all the old id and Raven software titles. I'm also quite at ease with Wine or Innoextract. Reading this thread will hopefully point other in the right direction.
What I really don't understand is the many (MANY) titles running under Dosbox and missing Mac/Linux versions.
A prepackaged software is much easier to use than having to extract and install the game manually. It's not that I don't want to / won't do it, it's just a care for convenience.
Testing should not be the issue here : a game running fine under Dosbox on Windows will run fine under Dosbox elsewhere.
I really don't see the point of not proposing it as a self-installing archive.
Take care and merry Xmas.
PR
I just bought Heretic. It won't run on my Windows 10, just a black screen. But by copying the files to my macOS Mojave, it will run normally with DOSBOX 0.47, the same that came with the bundle and is available for Mac either.
So why there is no bundle for Mac (and for Linux of course)? One of mysteries inside CD Project. There is something BAD happening inside and we don't know what is it. They just closed the door for other platforms than Windows and we don't know why, we do know it not because of technical reasons. I'm still new in Linux, but Mac has been always easier to run good old games than Windows, that is a fact.
Hope they will think again about this, because Steam is growing up it's library for Mac, are GOG our friend on running good old games or not?
Post edited December 27, 2020 by gustavopi
Posted December 27, 2020
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ASTICOTJOYEUX: Hi all
First of all thanks for your replies.
I guess I was not clear enough : I'm aware of the open source engines which exist currently for all the old id and Raven software titles. I'm also quite at ease with Wine or Innoextract. Reading this thread will hopefully point other in the right direction.
What I really don't understand is the many (MANY) titles running under Dosbox and missing Mac/Linux versions.
A prepackaged software is much easier to use than having to extract and install the game manually. It's not that I don't want to / won't do it, it's just a care for convenience.
Testing should not be the issue here : a game running fine under Dosbox on Windows will run fine under Dosbox elsewhere.
I really don't see the point of not proposing it as a self-installing archive.
Take care and merry Xmas.
PR
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gustavopi: I just bought Heretic. It won't run on my Windows 10, just a black screen. But by copying the files to my macOS Mojave, it will run normally with DOSBOX 0.47, the same that came with the bundle and is available for Mac either.
So why there is no bundle for Mac (and for Linux of course)? One of mysteries inside CD Project. There is something BAD happening inside and we don't know what is it. They just closed the door for other platforms than Windows and we don't know why, we do know it not because of technical reasons. I'm still new in Linux, but Mac has been always easier to run good old games than Windows, that is a fact.
Hope they will think again about this, because Steam is growing up it's library for Mac, are GOG our friend on running good old games or not?
Heretic will run on Windows 10. Please use one of the sourceports listed in the link below:

https://www.gog.com/forum/heretic_hexen_collection/heretic_and_hexen_1_sourceports
Post edited December 27, 2020 by TheBigCore
Posted January 10, 2021
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poissonradieux: Hi
I just bought those games I love for the fourth time in my life.
I'm happy with my purchase
BUT
I can't possibly see why games running under Dosbox could not have Mac or Linux versions, where Dosbox exists and runs perfectly. Same goes for Doom, or a number of other old software pieces on GoG.
Licensing reasons?
Laziness?
Both? (i.e. Laziness to negotiate with Bethesda for these versions when it's technically straightforward to make them run)
In the meanwhile I'll just extract the archive to get the .wad files and run them in Dosbox or some custom engine.
Cheers
PR
I fully understand that there are source ports to use the games, but it would be nice to have an installer with integrated dosbox for linux and other systems, why not? Why do I have to do a thousand steps to play a game that could come out with dosbox at first, without problems? A while ago I was able to play Duke Nukem 3D or Blood that way by purchasing the games here at GOG, but they leave fewer and fewer options. It seems incredible, that a store that has the motto "no drm", does less for its users than Steam, with DRM but with a totally spectacular attention to linux users. It is disappointing, really. Lately, being a user of the system with the most DRM in the world, Windows, is more supported, being a user of something else, is being a second-class citizen.
Posted January 13, 2021
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Snowblind76: ...It seems incredible, that a store that has the motto "no drm", does less for its users than Steam, with DRM but with a totally spectacular attention to linux users. It is disappointing, really...
Steam don't offer a Linux version either, so you can't argue that GOG "does less" here.

The fact that "other stores" have a Windows-only limitation also should really make the reason crystal clear. It's a licensing issue with the publisher almost certainly not wanting to accept any support liability for OSes other than what the game was written for. This isn't unusual and really people should count themselves fortunate to have so many ways to bypass that reluctance in this case.
Posted January 14, 2021
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Snowblind76: ...It seems incredible, that a store that has the motto "no drm", does less for its users than Steam, with DRM but with a totally spectacular attention to linux users. It is disappointing, really...
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AstralWanderer: Steam don't offer a Linux version either, so you can't argue that GOG "does less" here.

The fact that "other stores" have a Windows-only limitation also should really make the reason crystal clear. It's a licensing issue with the publisher almost certainly not wanting to accept any support liability for OSes other than what the game was written for. This isn't unusual and really people should count themselves fortunate to have so many ways to bypass that reluctance in this case.
You are totally right, but i was talking in "general" on that line, not about only this case. the irony of a totally DRM reign as is Steam, has more "support", to other OSes, than here. But yes, we can call ourselves fortunate to have what we have here, and, as GOG continues been my favourite store, as a consumer and user i want just a little more. Licensing issues? I dont know or wanna know, im telling what it's desirable in this case.
Posted January 15, 2021
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Snowblind76: You are totally right, but i was talking in "general" on that line...Licensing issues? I dont know or wanna know, im telling what it's desirable in this case.
Fair enough - but it would seem more fitting to contact the publisher(s) concerned on this rather than pointing a finger at an intermediary like GOG.
Posted October 02, 2021
One of the reasons I give more attention (money) to Steam is that they actually do care about gaming on Linux, with Proton I'm able to run almost any game with no setup, just like in Windows. With Vulkan you can actually have better performance than in Windows.

It's about time DOSBOX games have a Linux installer at least and why not a GoG client for Linux?

The community of people that refuses to use Windows is only growing, its time GOG attend to this people too.
Posted October 02, 2021
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gssj85: One of the reasons I give more attention (money) to Steam is that they actually do care about gaming on Linux, with Proton
Brilliant.
Post edited October 02, 2021 by osm
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