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Maybe I'm being a bit touchy, but... There is any way to quit the game without it asking for your pledge or buy on GOG?

It's a good idea in the dev side, specially if you got the game for free. But I don't like the fact that the game is asking me to buy it time and time again... even if I bought it in the first place! It's just... odd. If there is no way to avoid that window, well... I hope it can be addressed in a future patch.

Thanks!
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granmacco: Maybe I'm being a bit touchy, but... There is any way to quit the game without it asking for your pledge or buy on GOG?

It's a good idea in the dev side, specially if you got the game for free. But I don't like the fact that the game is asking me to buy it time and time again... even if I bought it in the first place! It's just... odd. If there is no way to avoid that window, well... I hope it can be addressed in a future patch.

Thanks!
Ah while no one in their right mind would torrent a game like this piracy is inevitable and a quite a few people who torrent games never look outside to buy games. Since this game is DRM free there's no way of knowing for sure that you've bought the game or not. I think it's just their for people who receive it without paying for it, hence the link to the GOG page.
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granmacco: Maybe I'm being a bit touchy, but... There is any way to quit the game without it asking for your pledge or buy on GOG?

It's a good idea in the dev side, specially if you got the game for free. But I don't like the fact that the game is asking me to buy it time and time again... even if I bought it in the first place! It's just... odd. If there is no way to avoid that window, well... I hope it can be addressed in a future patch.

Thanks!
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Magmarock: Ah while no one in their right mind would torrent a game like this piracy is inevitable and a quite a few people who torrent games never look outside to buy games. Since this game is DRM free there's no way of knowing for sure that you've bought the game or not. I think it's just their for people who receive it without paying for it, hence the link to the GOG page.
That's understandable, but I find it very annoying that I have to close a pop-up window asking me to purchase the game every single time I quit the game. In my mind this is just another kind of DRM(albeit it only solicits to your moral sense) since you can't get rid of it.
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Magmarock: Ah while no one in their right mind would torrent a game like this piracy is inevitable and a quite a few people who torrent games never look outside to buy games. Since this game is DRM free there's no way of knowing for sure that you've bought the game or not. I think it's just their for people who receive it without paying for it, hence the link to the GOG page.
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eman.russ: That's understandable, but I find it very annoying that I have to close a pop-up window asking me to purchase the game every single time I quit the game. In my mind this is just another kind of DRM(albeit it only solicits to your moral sense) since you can't get rid of it.
It's not DRM because it's not forcing anything. DRM is a the enforcement of copyright. I mean it might be a little annoying, but it's very easy to click it away.
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eman.russ: That's understandable, but I find it very annoying that I have to close a pop-up window asking me to purchase the game every single time I quit the game. In my mind this is just another kind of DRM(albeit it only solicits to your moral sense) since you can't get rid of it.
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Magmarock: It's not DRM because it's not forcing anything. DRM is a the enforcement of copyright. I mean it might be a little annoying, but it's very easy to click it away.
But it is forcing you. Even though it's only to close an extra window(which yes, doesn't take more than a second) asking you to pay for the game, whether or not you've payed for the game. And I know it's not technically a DRM, but I find it equally irksome. I mean what's the point of it? It just feels like instead of, please excuse my launguage, fucking me up the ass, they're standing there poking me with a dildo. Being the lesser of to evils doesn't mean it's good.
Post edited October 25, 2012 by eman.russ
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Magmarock: It's not DRM because it's not forcing anything. DRM is a the enforcement of copyright. I mean it might be a little annoying, but it's very easy to click it away.
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eman.russ: But it is forcing you. Even though it's only to close an extra window(which yes, doesn't take more than a second) asking you to pay for the game, whether or not you've payed for the game. And I know it's not technically a DRM, but I find it equally irksome. I mean what's the point of it? It just feels like instead of, please excuse my launguage, fucking me up the ass, they're standing there poking me with a dildo. Being the lesser of to evils doesn't mean it's good.
I'm afraid I can't agree, it's a nag and not really a big deal and I certainly wouldn't call it a management of digital rights. Other free programs ask for donations it's nothing new. Here let me share some real DRM with you http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/cant_copy_ps3_save_data_because_of_drm_ahhhh

Other games on GOG use codes for online multilayer but I still would call that DRM more like server rights management or something if you want to be really technical. To me DRM is software that's in place to enforce your use of the licensee agreement of the product. Thus why it tries to stop you from making backups out of fear you'll send them to other people and so on.

In my case it's an anti cheat DRM.
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eman.russ: But it is forcing you. Even though it's only to close an extra window(which yes, doesn't take more than a second) asking you to pay for the game, whether or not you've payed for the game. And I know it's not technically a DRM, but I find it equally irksome. I mean what's the point of it? It just feels like instead of, please excuse my launguage, fucking me up the ass, they're standing there poking me with a dildo. Being the lesser of to evils doesn't mean it's good.
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Magmarock: I'm afraid I can't agree, it's a nag and not really a big deal and I certainly wouldn't call it a management of digital rights. Other free programs ask for donations it's nothing new. Here let me share some real DRM with you http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/cant_copy_ps3_save_data_because_of_drm_ahhhh

Other games on GOG use codes for online multilayer but I still would call that DRM more like server rights management or something if you want to be really technical. To me DRM is software that's in place to enforce your use of the licensee agreement of the product. Thus why it tries to stop you from making backups out of fear you'll send them to other people and so on.

In my case it's an anti cheat DRM.
"Other free programs ask for donations." But it's not free. I paid for it.
But whatever, you've made your point and I mine. Peace.
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granmacco: Maybe I'm being a bit touchy, but... There is any way to quit the game without it asking for your pledge or buy on GOG?

It's a good idea in the dev side, specially if you got the game for free. But I don't like the fact that the game is asking me to buy it time and time again... even if I bought it in the first place! It's just... odd. If there is no way to avoid that window, well... I hope it can be addressed in a future patch.

Thanks!
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Magmarock: Ah while no one in their right mind would torrent a game like this piracy is inevitable and a quite a few people who torrent games never look outside to buy games. Since this game is DRM free there's no way of knowing for sure that you've bought the game or not. I think it's just their for people who receive it without paying for it, hence the link to the GOG page.
Yeah, I know, there is no way to know if i pirated it or I bought it.

But it's kinda annoying (Just like eman.russ says) that the game thinks by default that I pirated it. Damn. I payed for it. I've already bought it. Please, stop asking me to do that.

For example, a lot of plugins for firefox does this: You install it, you try it, and then a popup appears asking for a pledge. The difference is that I can say "I've already made a donation", so I won't see it again. Of course, people who hasn't payed a dime for that are lying, but people who already has done that won't get harassed any more.

Seriously, I hope it's addressed in a future patch. At least, make it appear just one time, or something like that, it's easy to implement. If someone pirated the game, it's cool to tell him to buy it, but I don't think it will work if you shove it in his face for too long. And, of course, the legal buyers like us won't have to deal with it anymore.
I'm sure there's a pirate version out there which removes the nag screen. ;)

I agree it's a bit too aggressive---at least in light of GOG's promise of no DRM, which (at least to me) implies a level of trust on the part of GOG that customers will act responsibly in exercising the freedom conferred upon them. Not everyone does, of course, and that's a shame, but GOG's trust in its customers is what has made me feel not only good about spending so much, but almost -obligated- to spend more, especially for new titles such as this one.

Unfortunately Twisted Dreams' nag screen is an erosion of that trust, and I hope it's not a trend where we'll just end up back to DRM in another ten years. A one-time advisory would have been perfectly fair, but a persistent nag has an edge of hostility to it, and in my estimation has no place whatsoever in a product distributed by GOG.

Great game, though. Loving it so far!
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JKing: I'm sure there's a pirate version out there which removes the nag screen. ;)
That line remembered me of the times when we used no-cd cracks to play our legally bought games without having to insert the disc on the tray. How ironic.
I agree on the annoyance. When I first exited the game, I thought perhaps it was a bug that slipped through that triggered the nag. But it consistently nags EVERY time on exit.

I really enjoy the game, and when leaving the game to come back to reality, I get this nag brick in the face. I have consciously decided not to obtain pirated software and I firmly believe in supporting software developers - yet here we have this nag exit screen for my supporting them.

I am now wondering if their is a command line switch one could add to the game shortcut to turn off the exit nag. I don't spend much time with games, however I might fire up the debugger and kill the screen - oh wait, I'd probably be violating some draconian DMCA like law and sent to the gulag.
Post edited October 26, 2012 by cpucrust
While the screen itself is annoying, I'm willing to put up with it. I was thinking of buying a second copy as a gift for my girlfriend, though, and such a mis-feature tarnishes its value as a gift: one -would- get it it for free, albeit legitimately, so what is a person to think about the wording used?
Basically there is no way for the game to tell whether you purchased it or downloaded without paying anything. Therefore, the screen appears for everyone. The author of 3079 did the same thing only he used a more subtle message in the game's launcher screen.

Since you and everyone else here clearly bought the game, you can ignore this screen. For those that did not though, hopefully it acts as a friendly incentive to support the developers. On the other hand, I don't see why it must appear every time you exit rather than just once or twice.
Post edited October 29, 2012 by djnforce9
If it bothers you that much you could always try the steam version, with actual DRM lol
I'll say this, I did download the game to see what it was like, being very low on spendable funds for games, I gotta know that I'm going to like it. However two things occured after installing (the version I ended up with was from gamer's gate, as that version has a link to their site.)

I played for 10 minutes, just ten, then shut it off. I was so amazed with what the devs did to a game series that was originally a repainted Mario game due to Nintendo saying no to the devs who made the tech demo, so they changed the presentation and levels a bit and released it at the Giana Sisters, and now we have this game that really gives them an identity, and I had to buy it after my ten minutes of trying it out. The screen that popped up asking me to buy only made me want it more that the devs were awesome enough to basically say "we hope you enjoy the product and if you didn't buy it, consider doing so or donating." Very few devs would do that today, but yeah, I bought the game thanks to that screen and how great the game is, even waited for the sale to end to pay full price for it.