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Posted January 31, 2010
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anjohl: honest gamers will not have their accounts blocked. My Steam ban is ancient, and was for saying the kinds of things that we talk about on here all the time. Also, I have had that ban reversed by support, under a different name, because they admitted they banned me in error.

I am honest, and got my entire account banned. I didn't do anything wrong, they didn't admit to doing anything wrong, and I did get my account back, but without so much as an apology or an explanation as to why it happened.
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anjohl: And what does GOG give you? A few google-able wallpapers, or a soundtrack easily gotten off torrents?
If you're going to go to torrents anyway, why buy the game? No, not just that - GOG offers support for games, Steam doesn't do game support, they hardly even support the client.
Post edited January 31, 2010 by Weclock
Posted January 31, 2010
I hate to beat a dead horse anjohl, but: You could have posted the "Great Deal" in the game deals thread and avoided the whole "My dad can beat your dad" thing. Your 90% is being plucked out of thin air unless of course you have done some type of research. If one wants to be DRM free they need to avoid Steam even at $2.00 a pop.
Oh - and do you think the staff at Steam would work as diligently as the GOG staff to get the Divine Divinity Patch so that the game would work or would they sell the game and end it there?
Post edited January 31, 2010 by Lou
Posted January 31, 2010
@ anjohl
And what does Steam give you ?
Posted January 31, 2010
I like Steam because it's like a goofy version of Xbox Live for PC, but I've never bought a game new on there unless it was an exclusive. My main thing is I would rather have the games on my games explorer vs in the steam window. And it's annoying having to login to it or install it to play the games. But hey, thats what multiple services/retail copies etc are for! you shop around!
Posted January 31, 2010
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anjohl: Steam has many issues, but for the average end-user, it's the best service currently active. Also, I do not considar Steam a DRM, except as it pertains to account blockings.
I am not telling you that you have to use Steam over GOG, you may use whichever service(s) you want. What I am telling you is that Steam is objectively the better service for 90% of people, and GOG does not have the other 10%.

Steam was developed as a form of DRM for HL2 long before it became a successful store front for other publisher's titles. So I don't see its status as a form of DRM to be debatable. Although it's true that not every title has to use it as DRM, and indeed many don't. But that's beside the point.
Also, I disagree that Steam is the best option "90%" of the time. Even if you're entirely reliant on sales that vastly undercut the RRP (which I tend to be), it's still very easy to find better options elsewhere.
This is especially true when you take into account the fact that Steam, as others have pointed out, often has crappier versions than those sold elsewhere. Whether simply because of the added DRM or because some of the content is cut or because the TOS and customer service are so much worse than a site like Gamersgate.
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Navagon: Especially not given that he was on an anti-Steam tirade not so very long ago.
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bansama: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/member.php?u=484732
Kinda speaks volumes.
As does this: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9461515&postcount=3

The first URL doesn't work for me. The second one essentially says the same things he was saying here not so long ago. At the very least it shows he's fickle.
Post edited January 31, 2010 by Navagon
Posted January 31, 2010
Oh yeah, now I remember what I hated about Steam. I bought Orange Box used like I have a few other games and you can't transfer the key or anything. I remember that sucked. You have to pay 20$ or something to do so. I got a refund and ended up getting it on sale for cheap but man that was dumb. Thats not how retail copies should work except maybe mmos or something.
Posted January 31, 2010
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Lou: I hate to beat a dead horse anjohl, but: You could have posted the "Great Deal" in the game deals thread and avoided the whole "My dad can beat your dad" thing. Your 90% is being plucked out of thin air unless of course you have done some type of research. If one wants to be DRM free they need to avoid Steam even at $2.00 a pop.
Oh - and do you think the staff at Steam would work as diligently as the GOG staff to get the Divine Divinity Patch so that the game would work or would they sell the game and end it there?

Oh, but then he wouldn't have gotten attention. If Anjohl doesn't get a regular dose of someone paying attention to him, he'll vanish in to thin air.
Posted January 31, 2010
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No Crassmaster, truth is objective. It doesn't need anyone paying attention to it, it's still truth.
GOG is just as much a DRM as any other service, they can ban your account as well. Sure, if you are willing to have all your titles downloaded at all times you are safe with GOG. And with Steam, if you don't scam, or have a financial issue, your account will never be blocked.
Six of one, half dozen of another.
For GOG to be competitive, they would have to offer regular 50% off deals. Sure, they can continue to make money off the "honor system" (Which is their current business model) for a while, but the laws of diminishing returns will eventually stunt GOG's growth.
It all comes down to a simple fact: GOG are/were too small, so they got screwed in the publisher negotiations. The $10 pricetag is ridiculous for most of the titles priced as such (objective fact based on market conditions/valuations), and the $6 games RARELY go on sale to the extent that they get people EXCITED.
The POP/BGAE $10 deal and 2-1 Interplay deals asside, Gog have NEVER offered a competitive sale that in ANY way lives up to the medium-level Steam sales. That is also objective fact, based on the popularity and market value of the games in comparison.
So, you can continue to support bad pricing, and deny yourselves the deals you deserve, but it's still bad pricing. Opinions can be, and often are, wrong.
Posted January 31, 2010
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Lou: I hate to beat a dead horse anjohl, but: You could have posted the "Great Deal" in the game deals thread and avoided the whole "My dad can beat your dad" thing. Your 90% is being plucked out of thin air unless of course you have done some type of research. If one wants to be DRM free they need to avoid Steam even at $2.00 a pop.
Oh - and do you think the staff at Steam would work as diligently as the GOG staff to get the Divine Divinity Patch so that the game would work or would they sell the game and end it there?
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Crassmaster: Oh, but then he wouldn't have gotten attention. If Anjohl doesn't get a regular dose of someone paying attention to him, he'll vanish in to thin air.

Azaghail uses his +2 Helm of distraction and wonders what this thread is all about in the first place. ;-)
Posted January 31, 2010
I use both.
I don't see the big deal.
I probably have more games on Steam atm because of the holiday sales (which I, regrettably, forgot about this site until after and had to pay for Tex Murphy 1 + 2) but, in general, I just like old games more so it's all about preference.
Posted January 31, 2010
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Red_Avatar: Oh, and saying "$5 Torchlight deal beats *Everything* on GOG" is a bit silly. Maybe in terms of real commercial value since Torchlight is a recent game but I can think of a dozen games or more on GOG that have a better value as a game. I bought Torchlight and barely even played it yet I've played several GOG games for hours since then.

'Real commercial value' is the only objective metric. In terms of subjective 'better value' you could argue 'Battle Chess' at $5 is more entertaining but I'd never accept that proposition.
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anjohl: being able to play your games on any computer.
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Weclock: that supports the game or steam.

Doesn't seem to stop you from buying from them consistently -- so I guess it's not that bad.
Post edited January 31, 2010 by Metro09
Posted January 31, 2010
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Red_Avatar: Oh, and saying "$5 Torchlight deal beats *Everything* on GOG" is a bit silly. Maybe in terms of real commercial value since Torchlight is a recent game but I can think of a dozen games or more on GOG that have a better value as a game. I bought Torchlight and barely even played it yet I've played several GOG games for hours since then.
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Metro09: 'Real commercial value' is the only objective metric. In terms of subjective 'better value' you could argue 'Battle Chess' at $5 is more entertaining but I'd never accept that proposition.

Ironically, the actual commercial value of Torchlight has dropped below that of many games on GOG exactly because it's been discounted so heavily all over the Internet during the past few months. What I really meant with "real commercial value" was in terms of sales, not the value of a single game.
Posted January 31, 2010
GOG's buy one get one free or double packs usually rock hard. The problem I have with GOG lately is that a lot of the new releases just don't interest me. =/ I had a computer until Windows 98 came out and didn't have another one until 2004 so a lot of these games I just don't have the nostalgia or anything to make me interested.
Posted January 31, 2010
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anjohl: GOG is just as much a DRM as any other service, they can ban your account as well. Sure, if you are willing to have all your titles downloaded at all times you are safe with GOG. And with Steam, if you don't scam, or have a financial issue, your account will never be blocked.
Six of one, half dozen of another.

Six "safe" purchases and a half dozen "unsafe" purchases. The statement "GOG is just as much a DRM as any other service" is absolutely incorrect.
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anjohl: The $10 pricetag is ridiculous for most of the titles priced as such (objective fact based on market conditions/valuations), and the $6 games RARELY go on sale to the extent that they get people EXCITED.

You seem to be leaving out the compatibility service that GOG offers. Your objective market evaluations are insufficient for discussing the entire model GOG uses to produce product.
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anjohl: The POP/BGAE $10 deal and 2-1 Interplay deals asside, Gog have NEVER offered a competitive sale that in ANY way lives up to the medium-level Steam sales. That is also objective fact, based on the popularity and market value of the games in comparison.
So, you can continue to support bad pricing, and deny yourselves the deals you deserve, but it's still bad pricing. Opinions can be, and often are, wrong.

Sure, GOG has never offered a sale that proves competitive with Steam on pricing, but GOG offers the better package, and that's a fact to add to your list.
Post edited January 31, 2010 by PhoenixWright
Posted February 01, 2010
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anjohl: So, you can continue to support bad pricing, and deny yourselves the deals you deserve, but it's still bad pricing.
I wish you live in Europe.
Speaking about bad pricing
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