How generous of you. Do you seriously think that I haven't noticed that you've completely failed to support your initial thesis? The charm of the movies came from the things like the overdubbing and the poor quality effects. Considering that the trailer seems to indicate that they didn't understand that, I'm not sure how this could be a good Godzilla movie.

This is a bit like taking the mindlessness out of wrestling or the left turns out of Nascar and expecting it to work. You might manage to get some people on board, but chances are good that most of the core audience will be skeptical and or hostile.

Most modern films lack soul for the specific reason that the people making and paying for the films demand a level of control over the finished product that guarantees a sterile experience in most cases. As much as I tend to dislike Christopher Guest, his films tend to have more soul to them because he allows the characters to come alive on screen. Granted, I think he goes overboard and would do well to get some more control over the production, but he does at least tend to get some personality and soul in his productions.

As for your challenge, Spinal Tap is a pretty good example, there's a certain something there that you're not going to get in the current crop of films, specifically because it wasn't as controled and planned as most films are.

Thank you for the explination.

Godzilla looks fantastic. I could not care less if the "fans" like it or not. I just want a good movie, which the original was but the Matthew Broderick movie was definitely NOT. I think its a little silly to expect anyone to make a new Godzilla movie and duplicate the horrendous effects. I find that at least the original is good in spite of the effects, not because of. I doubt if Toho would have turned their nose up at the effects work in the new movie if they could have had it for the original or any of the many sequels.

That's why they shouldn't be making more of them. Some films just shouldn't be remade. Psycho is another one, they insisted upon doing a completely superfluous remake and it wound up being dreadful. I can't wait until they figure out that they can do a remake of the Rocky Horror Picture show, that should be a train wreck of epic proportions.

The point of doing remakes is that you're supposed to be making something that the fans like, and hopefully there's enough of them to draw in an audience sufficient to pay for things. In other words, a pre-sold audience, one that doesn't require a lot of marketing to convince to see the film.

But, remakes like the previous Godzilla movie or the TMNT from space are basically just a cash grab without any respect for the franchise.

I think he was talking about 1998 godzilla.

Primarily.

But, the fact remains that anything they do is going to fail to capture the essence of the original series. It's a bit like doing Batman without the camp. They were able to get away with that primarily because the source material was more than just the '60s era TV show and movie. That and the fact that Batman as a character and the universe he was created in have a lot more depth to them.

In this case though there's any number of monsters they could have attacking major cities and if they're not going to even try to evoke the original atmosphere and essence, I see no reason at all to even bother.

I was wondering. The last Godzilla film was bad ass.

The problem with your argument is that the original Gojira (the 1954 Japanese original, not even the westernized Raymond Burr'd 1956 revision) is not campy at all. It is a fairly bleak film with lots of death (even of whole families) that preyed on the Japanese understandable fear of what tge Atomic Age meant for the future. The effects are of their time and budget. It was only afterwards with the sequels and Mothra and Rodan ad infinitum that the series became a kid-friendly monster-deuling festival. It seems to me they are trying to bring the original's tone back.

I never sad that the original Godzilla movies were campy. I was saying that the Batman depictions on screen were campy during the '60s.

The main exposure people have to Godzilla is from the '50s and they had a certain aesthetic to them as a result. And, I don't see anything that I recognize as Godzilla in that trailer. They could have created their own new monster to cause all that havoc, I see no reason to try and ride the coat tails of an established franchise.

Some movies should be left to the era in which they're created. There's plenty of things to be terrified of from the present. No need to dig up fears from the past.

They already did that in Cloverfield but the monster wasn't that interesting. The monsters in Pacific Rim though were awesome thanks to Guillermo Del Toro's vision for that movie.

This is the biggest dealbreaker here

In all honesty though, this looks kind of cool but I'm sure it will suffer from the same fate as transformers, as in: lots of flashy action and stuff but without any substance

Did they not try to do that in that 1998 film excluding the fact that they kept the name?

Also can I ask what do you think of reboots? Because despite what people say I personally think their are some franchises that deserves to be rebooted.

Movie-wise Star Wars definately deserves a reboot, he prequals ruined everything in its lore. A reboot could eliminate midi-chlorians or the over-blown importance of Darth Vader being "The Chosen One" and Some stupid things from the Expanded Universe.

Gaming-wise I would say Metal Gear after the Phantom Pain.

Reboots are stupid because the notion of franchise is.

Are every Dracula movie a "reboot" ?

After Phantom Pain, how much more story is there to tell? They already have three other Big Boss games, four counting Ground Zeroes seperately. Solid Snake only had three total and one of them he was only starring in the prologue. They should remake Metal Gear 1 and 2 and bring David Hayter back as Snake and keep Kiefer Sutherland as Big Boss, which would be great.

Star Wars could do well without the reboots, just ignore all that tripe and go for the sequels which they are doing now. J.J. Abrams already made two Star Wars movies more or less so he is quite capable, think he 'gets' the franchise more than George Lucas.