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mystikmind2000: The average person will never have that level of skill, and if they participated in that kind of situation then the chances are they will end up aggravating the bad guy and make the situation much worse....
Those are excuses. The decent thing to do is act. You act, not knowing how it will turn out. You act, knowing full well that there are other people who would do things better than you. You act, because it's the decent thing to do.

I've worked in the US urban poor mission field for most of the last 12 years. I've seen people doing bad things to other people. I've stepped in. My friends have stepped in. Sometimes it didn't change anything. Sometimes what we did was one positive step among many that ended changing a life dramatically. I'm white and a yankee, but I stepped into situations in the poor black south. I was definitely not the best or the ideal or the most suited or the most trained person for the situation. But I had one thing going for me that nobody else did: I was there. That made me the guy for the job.

If you're there, you are the guy for the job. Do the decent thing. Don't make excuses. Don't let fear and over-analysis make you inactive.

Cheers.
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misteryo: If you're there, you are the guy for the job. Do the decent thing. Don't make excuses. Don't let fear and over-analysis make you inactive.
I believe you should try to do the right thing, not just be a passive bystander. However, you must make sure that you don't put yourself in danger, because then that's TWO people in trouble. Whether you use some self defense method like the lady with pepper spray in the OP's vid, buy the person time by becoming a distraction, or call the police from a distance, you're doing SOMETHING.

And while I agree that OVER-analysis is not good, some QUICK observations of the surroundings is vital. Speaking of the OP's vid, these "social experiments" can be very sketchy. I saw one where it was meant to see what you would do if someone was being bullied, but the act was so put on that it was an unrealistic judge of people's character, some probably assumed they were filming a movie. In today's world of social media and flash mobs, it's easy to chalk something up as an act or a prank, but better safe than sorry. You DON'T want to be the person who did nothing, then see on the news that night that the little boy was found dead a few hours later.
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mystikmind2000: The reason for my answer is that in Australia the law is very weak to protect good Samaritans. I have seen some stories, most notably the two guys who pulled a rapist of a woman in the park... then the police charged the two men with assault! The lesson is very clear, never help anyone.

And i do not blame the police for what they did, the way things are arranged here, the law is taking a back seat to police decision making and that is dead wrong, the police are there to enforce the law not make the law!
Are you able to provide a link to an article about this. It sounds to me like the story my either be made up (not suggesting by you) or may be leaving out some crucial details...
People are blinded by propaganda where they state that the country has made tremendous progress. The truth is that poverty levels have actually increased exponentially and a huge chunk of the population lives in utter squalor. Since in India, people choose to accept things like poverty, unemployment and corruption that is when the country starts it descent into dystopia . I don't see any change happening and in a democracy there is nothing more terrible than public apathy.

To quote Rorschach, " The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."

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Lionel212008: I have always maintained that human beings are in essence ' reprehensible monsters' and no less than that of the perpetrators of a crime(beneath a thinly veiled disguise of civility). Recently, there was this horrifying gang-rape incident in Delhi. The woman was raped in a moving bus and then thrown on the streets along with her male friend, both stripped naked. And for a good half an hour, not a single person came to her aid...she was pretty much on the verge of being dead.Her friend semi-conscious kept crying out for help.

This, on a crowded Delhi street. All people did was watch. Needless to say that the poor girl succumbed to her injuries. This is the truth about humanity.
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mystikmind2000: Well in India there is no shortage of human suffering, regardless if they were thrown from a bus or not. I cannot imagine what it would be like to live in a situation where i see human suffering every day and it is just 'normal'. To rise above and be a good Samaritan in that situation, most likely the person would be indoctrinated by religion.
Post edited February 12, 2014 by Lionel212008
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Lionel212008: ... "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."
As will I.
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BadDecissions: Maybe? I'd like to think that I'd help, but it's perfectly possible that I'd have a panic attack and be basically useless during the whole thing--I admit that. No real way to know unless you've actually been in such a high-stress situation, I think.
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Nirth: I share similar thoughts on this matter. I'll say this though, I'm rather scared from taking risks so I would probably look for advantages I could use to safe guard myself in case I fail in my attempt to do something, whatever that could be (call the cops, create a distraction or whatever).

I would also say it depends how quickly the kidnappers are. If they are quick as hell (you've only few seconds to react), have automatic weapons and look like they're professionals doing anything without training would likely get you killed as soon as they spot you. If they're amateurs a distraction would likely come easier and give more effect.

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djranis: hell i am there for reason
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Nirth: What do you mean?
Well this is how i see it, where ever we are, we are there for a reason, whether we react to the circumstances or not is usually much upto us
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pimpmonkey2382: Yeah I'd help and not give a shit if I got in trouble doing it.
This.

I'd ask the kid if that's his dad and if the kids told me the man is not his dad, I'd call the police and let them sort it out while holding the man off physically.

I already feel like shit for not doing more to help out the homeless I encounter on a daily basis because of my "busy life". I'm not sure if I could live with myself if I wasn't the type of person who would at least help a kid vs a potential kidnapper.
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Niggles: sorry but not helping your fellow human being cause ur scared of getting into trouble is a weak excuse
Call my expectations ridiculously high, but I think most people don't help their fellow human being at various point when they could really use the help because it's inconvenient.

I'd say the argument can be made on the degree of not helping.

I'll agree that letting a child get kidnapped is pretty far off the end of that scale.
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QC: It's tricky to be sure. If you do something good, you risk having done something wrong too. In the US, if someone attacks you and they surrender, then you haven't the right to continue fighting. That goes from self defense to assault.

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This doesn't mean it's right. The best I can say is that in the right situation, that I know for all certainty that whatever is happening is wrong, and that I can put a stop to it without being a victim myself, then I will act in public interest, and not self interest. Otherwise, it's too dangerous to act otherwise.
If it's physical harm you're afraid of, it's understandable, but hiding behind the law is a poor excuse at best.

The law will only get you so far.

There's a reason why laws are constantly changing as opposed to immutable. It's because laws are just a mean to an end and not an end.

Law is good, but good reasoning skills are golden.

If the law prevents you from saving a child from a kidnapper, then the law is wrong plain and simple and quite frankly, I'd hate to be the judge who sentences the rescuer because he will never hear the end of it from outraged citizens.

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F4LL0UT: Agreed. That woman only had pepper spray, things could have gotten much worse than that. I've seen people spontaneously "help" others by hitting and kicking the shit out of someone on several occasions, two times to such a degree that I seriously feared for the original perpetrator's life.
Depends on the circumstances, but I think it's justified in extreme cases.

Unless you're an expert or have good tools to subdue without harm, I'd personally advocate using deadly force once someone causes direct bodily harm to someone else and give indication that they don't mean to stop.

Once someone gets that violent, he's just a liability to everyone around him and needs to be put down. If you use less than deadly force, you just risk him turning his wrath on you.

At some point, the best defense is unfortunately a killer offense.
Post edited February 12, 2014 by Magnitus
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mystikmind2000: Saw an interesting news story today on an experiment to test the general public response to a potential kidnapping;

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/02/11/06/29/experiment-tests-reactions-to-child-kidnappings

My answer to this question depends on what country i am in. For Example, i live in Australia, and in Australia i would never help anyone. If i was on holiday in America for example, no problem, i would love to help.

The reason for my answer is that in Australia the law is very weak to protect good Samaritans. I have seen some stories, most notably the two guys who pulled a rapist of a woman in the park... then the police charged the two men with assault! The lesson is very clear, never help anyone.

And i do not blame the police for what they did, the way things are arranged here, the law is taking a back seat to police decision making and that is dead wrong, the police are there to enforce the law not make the law!
Well I would help. (you live in the US long enough you'll soon realize that we have a catalog of laws that no one has a hope of memorizing but will be prosecuted under, with enough lawerage). I've known some unruly kids, I've meet a few that made a big deal about getting disciplined out in public, but I've met very few that would lie that their parents abducted them. If a kid approached me and said some guy was trying to kidnap him and the adult wanted to counter the argument., I would ask again after a few minutes pass, if the kid shies away from the person and insists that isn't their parent chances are it isn't. If your wrong you've just pissed off an incompetent parent, if your right you've just saved a child's life.
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Dischord: A cop, preacher, soldier, businessman, all have to rely upon their insides, and they are no different than yours.
Well I'm no expert but i do think the 'insides' of policemen actually get training and experience which could possibly make a 'tiny' bit of difference there somewhere, rather than 'no different'.

In my experience, from what i have seen over the years, when people intervene in a situation it almost always deteriorates very quickly. And this is because well intentioned people stepped in and caused massive escalation due to complete lack of tactfulness..... Because people tend to get emotional, and when they intercede in a situation and their feeling angry or exited etc etc then they cannot think clearly and things are going to get much worse very quickly and even worse, they don't know when to back off.

If you grab 10 random people off the street, you would be very lucky to find even one with the skills to verbally d-escalate a situation. Just look at the world, full of divorce, fights, court cases left and right, prisons overflowing, i mean how much more evidence do you need that most humans are deficient in the skills to solve problems intelligently?

Having said that, if you know your the type of person with a higher than average ability to keep a cool head, then by all means give it a go, and know when to back off.