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Posted June 26, 2014
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Crosmando: What, 3% of the population? Nope. If you're sticking that stuff into your games you have an agenda.
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AFnord: First of all, I've never heard someone say that the amount of "gays" in the world is as low as 3%. The usual number is somewhere in the region of 10%, though it's still a very uncertain number.

And more importantly, even if only 3% of the worlds population is gay, it's still a significant number. And they don't force anyone to play a gay character. They are not pushing "being gay" upon the players. It's up to the player if (s)he wants his/her character to be gay or not. It just allows people who are gay to have the kind of relationship that they want (while still allowing heterosexual people to have heterosexual relationships). And why would you not cater to more of your fans if you can? It's not in any way shape or form hurting the gaming experience for people who are not gay.
Well personally I find that kind of thing completely inappropriate.

But the topic of this thread is Witcher 3, so I was just pointing out that CDP obviously know that 99% of their audience are male and they make the game accordingly, it's not a strange thing, they're a company which aims to make money. Let's not delude ourselves, vast majority of gamers are male (and no playing Candy Crush on a iPhone does not count). Do you think you'll ever see Geralt in a gay romance? I'll leave that unanswered.

As for the gay thing I was being facetious, no mainstream company would make a game directly targeted at such a tiny amount of the population, it would be financial suicide, I'm saying Bioware put that stuff in for female audience. So yeah, I'll recant that and say: modern Bioware games are targeted at women.

If that wasn't already obvious just by how the dialogue is written in the game, how the characters are designed, etc.
Post edited June 26, 2014 by Crosmando
Posted June 26, 2014
Boob physics, eh? So does that mean that TW3 is switching genres? No longer an action/RPG, but a stimulation game?
Posted June 26, 2014
Romance options in Bioware games:

BG2
Male PC: Jaheira, Aerie, Viconia
Female PC: Anomen (*blech*)
straight only

NWN:
Male PC: Aribeth (unhappy ending)
Female PC: Aarin Gend
straight only

NWN:HotU
Male PC: Nathyrra, Aribeth (Ghost)
Female PC: Valen Shadowbreath
straight only

KOTOR:
Male PC: Bastila
Female PC: Carth
straight only

Jade Empire
Male PC: Dawn Star, Silk Fox, Sky (G)
Female PC: Silk Fox (L), Sky
straight, lesbian and gay

DA:O
Male PC: Morrigan, Zevran (G), Leliana
Female PC: Alistair, Zevran, Leliana (L)
straight, lesbian and gay

DA2
Everybody with everybody, except Sebastian who is the only "straight guy".
straight, lesbian and gay, and even a 3some

Mass Effect:
Male PC: Ashley Williams, Liara T'Soni
Female PC: Kaidan Alenko, Liara T'Soni (L)
straight and lesbian

Mass Effect 2
Male PC: Miranda Lawson, Tali'Zorah vas Neema, Jack
Female PC: Jacob Taylor, Garrus Vakarian, Thane Krios
straight only

Both m/f as a side note (not real romance):
Kelly Chambers (will "stay friends")
Samara (interested, but duty comes first)
Morinth (fatal...)
straight or lesbian

Mass Effect 3
Male PC: Miranda Lawson, Tali'Zorah vas Normandy, Jack, Ashley Williams, Steve Cortez (G), Kaidan Alenko (G), Kelly Chambers, Liara T'Soni, Diana Allers, Samara
Female PC: Thane Krios, Samantha Traynor (L), Garrus Vakarian, Kaidan Alenko, Kelly Chambers (L), Liara T'Soni (L), Diana Allers (L), Javik, Samara (L), James Vega
straight, lesbian and gay

I think Bioware is moving towards "We offer everything for everybody". I basically think that's good if the writing doesn't suffer, what is probably hard to accomplish. I've played neither ME3 nor any of the DA titles. I don't know how ankwards this gets with all those available options.
Post edited June 26, 2014 by toxicTom
Posted June 26, 2014
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TullyFernado: Ugh, what's wrong with guys like you?

I'm beginning to realize this gaming forum is made up of the usual types, sadly. Day one on the forum and I think I need to quit already.
Don't mind Crosmando.
He presents himself with very... distinctive opinions and it is better to not pay too much attention to them.
Posted June 26, 2014
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toxicTom: snip
Not really, considering that heterosexual and homosexual populations are not the same in size, or even close. If they were "equal" then, you know, about 3% of the NPCs in Bioware games would be homosexual, which when you consider how few NPCs are walking around even in big cities in BW games - it would round off to approximately 0.
Posted June 26, 2014
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toxicTom: snip
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Crosmando: Not really, considering that heterosexual and homosexual populations are not the same in size, or even close. If they were "equal" then, you know, about 3% of the NPCs in Bioware games would be homosexual, which when you consider how few NPCs are walking around even in big cities in BW games - it would round off to approximately 0.
For BG and NVW I am more surpriesed for My Male Human Warrior Character Argronok, The only female Romance options are Elves and a Half-Elf. Why not a Human or hell why not a Dwarf, Gnome, or Halfling or even a Half-Orc.

Why in BG do I only romance what most people deem the most Beautiful and fair of all fantasy races. Sometimes I want to do a playthrough where I am not that shallow and go for the Halfling or Half-Orc :P

Dragon Age: Origins you can play as a Dwarf and romance with 2 of the other races.
Posted June 26, 2014
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Crosmando: Not really, considering that heterosexual and homosexual populations are not the same in size, or even close. If they were "equal" then, you know, about 3% of the NPCs in Bioware games would be homosexual, which when you consider how few NPCs are walking around even in big cities in BW games - it would round off to approximately 0.
You are right. Considered that less than 0.001% of the world population are actually sword wielding warriors or psionic space soldiers Bioware should really consider their target audience.

Or you could look at works of Freud and Kinsey that claim that most people are innately bisexual and that monosexuality is developed behaviour. But what use could games be in exploring different aspects of our personality...
Posted June 26, 2014
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Crosmando: But the topic of this thread is Witcher 3, so I was just pointing out that CDP obviously know that 99% of their audience are male and they make the game accordingly, it's not a strange thing, they're a company which aims to make money. Let's not delude ourselves, vast majority of gamers are male (and no playing Candy Crush on a iPhone does not count). Do you think you'll ever see Geralt in a gay romance? I'll leave that unanswered.

As for the gay thing I was being facetious, no mainstream company would make a game directly targeted at such a tiny amount of the population, it would be financial suicide, I'm saying Bioware put that stuff in for female audience. So yeah, I'll recant that and say: modern Bioware games are targeted at women.
So, let's recap.

The vast majority of gamers are male, and companies want to make money. It'd be suicide not to target the majority, and so Bioware's multi-million-dollar AAA sci-fi shooter and fantasy roleplaying franchises rake in the profits by primarily targeting women.

I guess you'll stop shitting yourself black over this sort of thing, then, since targeting women apparently makes so much financial sense.
Posted June 26, 2014
Yes. In case you didn't know ME3 and DA2 were not well received on that front. That said people can buy them for all reasons, not just for the juvenile romance writing. Most of the game is still just shooting.
Post edited June 26, 2014 by Crosmando
Posted June 26, 2014
Oh I see. So most of Mass Effect is shooting and it attracts buyers for a variety of reasons, but the minority bits of juvenile romance prove that the game is chiefly aimed at women who like juvenile romance.
Posted June 26, 2014
I'm really glad the title of this wasn't "Witcher 3 documents physics, boob leaked."
Posted June 26, 2014
I have no problem with chest fat ('boobs') physics, as long there is :
- male package physics;
- belly fat physics;
- task-appropriate clothing*.

* I suppose a barmaid with unrestricted ample breasts is fine, but a female soldier would more likely wear a standard 'male' armor with breast binding underneath (and tied or short hair).

...and don't forget that breasts flatten when lying on back, so 'jiggling spheres' can't be justified by a 'realistic' take on animation.
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toxicTom: KOTOR:
Male PC: Bastila
Female PC: Carth
straight only
I played KOTOR; and clearly remember that Juhani could be romanced by a female PC.
(She's a lesbian, but a bug allows male PC to romance her too.)
Post edited June 26, 2014 by Scureuil
Posted June 26, 2014
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Scureuil: I played KOTOR; and clearly remember that Juhani could be romanced by a female PC.
(She's a lesbian, but a bug allows male PC to romance her too.)
I couldn't find any reliable information on this. The most extensive faq only lists Bastila and Carth. Some forum entries around the web suggest that Juhani can fall in love with the female PC, and she can also confess her feelings but it stops there.
Posted June 26, 2014
i don't even play tetris these days. i don't like the brick's agenda.
Posted June 26, 2014
Someday, there will be a company developing Dick Physics(TM). Just wait and see...you will be able to manipulate the (undesignated gender)'s assets during character creation, and will be able to send your avatar's pictures to friends on facebook.
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