Posted May 06, 2011
nondeplumage
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Kurina
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Posted May 06, 2011
PhoenixWright: The obvious answer is that money is far more important than art, and that compromising on principals is "more important" than someone not getting to play the game at all.
GOG would cut the game in half if your country's limitations prevented it from being too long, apparently, and prevent high graphics settings if your country's limitations prevented them from looking too good.
Considering we do not know exactly what goes on behind the scenes, I would consider this a rather hasty assumption. For all we know, they fought to keep the game as it is. The game itself seems to only have one minor change, that sex cannot be a reward, but it still exists in the game itself. Nothing else has changed. It is very possible that CD Projekt worked to keep the changes as minimal as they were. GOG would cut the game in half if your country's limitations prevented it from being too long, apparently, and prevent high graphics settings if your country's limitations prevented them from looking too good.
Point is, none of us know specifically how things went, and regardless of what CD Projekt and GOG would like to do, they are still bound by laws and agreements. Their only fault was being hasty announcing one version worldwide.
As for piracy, nothing justifies it. Vote with your wallet and do not purchase it in protest, and purchase it from the UK where various shops are selling it incredibly cheap.
PhoenixWright
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Posted May 06, 2011
iuliand: You accused that GoG is after money no matter what.
It is not GoG's decision to sell or not in Australia. Have you thought that they may have not be allowed to sell at all if Australia is not part of the deal? And ultimately is the customer's decision if he is fine buying a game stripped of some content, not your decision, or GoG's decision. I'm sure there are people in Australia that don't bother if the game is censored but they want the game anyway.
All I want is the customer's ability to buy an uncompromised version. That's the choice that isn't available. As I already said I'm taking a moral standpoint here, not a financially or legally reasonable one. But when I make a game it's going to reach everyone in an uncompromised state, and it's going to be financially reasonable for me to do so, and that's the state that all art should be in. We're stuck in a lopsided phase of global development. It is not GoG's decision to sell or not in Australia. Have you thought that they may have not be allowed to sell at all if Australia is not part of the deal? And ultimately is the customer's decision if he is fine buying a game stripped of some content, not your decision, or GoG's decision. I'm sure there are people in Australia that don't bother if the game is censored but they want the game anyway.
Someone's got to express what I am currently. Usually I let someone else take care of it, but today I'm expressing my concern instead. That situation seemed like a beacon of hope to me at the time, and there were millions of eyes on it.
Post edited May 06, 2011 by PhoenixWright
nondeplumage
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Posted May 06, 2011
You're confusing circumstance with lack of artistic integrity.
iuliand
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Posted May 06, 2011
iuliand: You accused that GoG is after money no matter what.
It is not GoG's decision to sell or not in Australia. Have you thought that they may have not be allowed to sell at all if Australia is not part of the deal? And ultimately is the customer's decision if he is fine buying a game stripped of some content, not your decision, or GoG's decision. I'm sure there are people in Australia that don't bother if the game is censored but they want the game anyway.
PhoenixWright: All I want is the customer's ability to buy an uncompromised version. That's the choice that isn't available. As I already said I'm taking a moral standpoint here, not a financially or legally reasonable one. But when I make a game it's going to reach everyone in an uncompromised state, and it's going to be financially reasonable for me to do so, and that's the state that all art should be in. We're stuck in a lopsided phase of global development. It is not GoG's decision to sell or not in Australia. Have you thought that they may have not be allowed to sell at all if Australia is not part of the deal? And ultimately is the customer's decision if he is fine buying a game stripped of some content, not your decision, or GoG's decision. I'm sure there are people in Australia that don't bother if the game is censored but they want the game anyway.
It is not GoG's fault or the publisher's fault that the unmodified version can not be available in Australia. It is their law made by their politicians that they elected in a democratic way. You can not apply moral over the law.
GoG explained why TW2 is different from other old games they sell here. Just follow the link provided in my first post here.
Given the situation I believe they did whatever was morally and legally possible.
I don't usually defend them but in this case I can't find any flaw in their stance.
The only thing that really needs to be clarified is why NZ gets the same version as Australia if the law is different.
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Posted May 06, 2011
This is new zealand. Where we have an r18 rating yet are getting the censored australian version showed down our throats anyway. Explain that.
nondeplumage
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Posted May 06, 2011
Censorship is always a big deal. It's only not if you're not aware how badly it's been abused to fuck people over, and proof that morally confused righteous assholes think they can invent victimless crimes.
Paradoks
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Posted May 06, 2011
From "About us" page:
"8. Same game, same price, no matter where you're from!"
I think someone needs to remove that point as it's no longer valid.
"8. Same game, same price, no matter where you're from!"
I think someone needs to remove that point as it's no longer valid.
Switch296
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From Australia
Posted May 06, 2011
Wow what the hell?
New Zealand gets the censored version even though they are their own country and have their own rating system? What the shit?
That's like America being given a censored game just because Canada decided their version would be censored.
I am extremely disappointed with CDPR and GOG.com
After them stating the Australian version would be uncensored on GOG.com, The price rises and now this, I have lost complete faith in both CDPR and GOG
Trying to hold my tongue and not out-right insult you guys over this, I'll take my business elsewhere.
Funny how things like this can so quickly change your opinion on things. Two days ago I was in love with CDPR and GOG and right now they have to be nearing the top of my corporate shit-list.
New Zealand gets the censored version even though they are their own country and have their own rating system? What the shit?
That's like America being given a censored game just because Canada decided their version would be censored.
I am extremely disappointed with CDPR and GOG.com
After them stating the Australian version would be uncensored on GOG.com, The price rises and now this, I have lost complete faith in both CDPR and GOG
Trying to hold my tongue and not out-right insult you guys over this, I'll take my business elsewhere.
Paradoks: From "About us" page:
"8. Same game, same price, no matter where you're from!"
I think someone needs to remove that point as it's no longer valid.
Fuck oath they do. Last I checked that's false advertising. "8. Same game, same price, no matter where you're from!"
I think someone needs to remove that point as it's no longer valid.
Funny how things like this can so quickly change your opinion on things. Two days ago I was in love with CDPR and GOG and right now they have to be nearing the top of my corporate shit-list.
Post edited May 06, 2011 by Switch296
PhoenixWright
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Posted May 06, 2011
PhoenixWright: Someone's got to express what I am currently. Usually I let someone else take care of it, but today I'm expressing my concern instead. That situation seemed like a beacon of hope to me at the time, and there were millions of eyes on it.
nondeplumage: You're confusing circumstance with lack of artistic integrity. Look, I don't want to argue with anyone, the fact that you just posted about censorship being a big deal is really all I expected from the community. Also, I don't have much time right now to do so... I just am so, so disappointed that The Witcher 2 couldn't be released under GOG's ideals, and this New Zealand business seems particularly unfortunate.
But even so...
This site is a fucking miracle. It's... well, to use the phrase I already spent earlier, a "beacon of hope." The fact that GOG is successful is just incredible, and I truly thought that the "pillars of the service" MaxNormal mentioned were going to be applied to a AAA release. One of the most important in the PC gaming world right now. It was too good to be true, I guess. I am aware of the limitations GOG and CDP and publishers in general are under. I don't claim to understand them to their fullest. I thought that, even though such limitations were in place, GOG had secured a way to make a "perfect" global release possible. It's still close... I guess... it's still miles ahead of everything else, and to that effect, good job guys. Amazing job. Best job in recent history, almost inarguably.
In the same breath I curse GOG, I want to maintain that it is fantastic. Sorry, TheEnigmaticT, for feeling that piracy is actually really important for those who are subject to content filtering. Fortunately Australia has the import option, so that seems like the most logical route for consumers who care. And when Switch296 says that s/he is taking his/her business elsewhere, well, then the question is where? For The Witcher 2, yeah, it doesn't make sense to use GOG. But as others have said the limitations upon GOG and CDP are too great to provide what we, the consumer, ultimately want. They know what we want, and for the most part, they've done a damn good job of providing it.
Aliasalpha
Once Proud
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Posted May 06, 2011
high rated
They mentioned it was a licencing issue rather than a legal one, that would likely mean that its the local distributors throwing a hissy fit and cdp simply don't have the business clout or the digital presence to say "fuck you and your grandpa physical media which is so last century, we'll just release it ourselves".
The problem for new zealanders is that the local australian distributors would also service your quaint little island so you're getting caught in the splash damage of the bullshit bomb we were hit with.
Sucks to be you
But then it sucks to be us too
The problem for new zealanders is that the local australian distributors would also service your quaint little island so you're getting caught in the splash damage of the bullshit bomb we were hit with.
Sucks to be you
But then it sucks to be us too
SLP2000
Registered: Dec 2009
From Poland
Posted May 06, 2011
Switch296: Funny how things like this can so quickly change your opinion on things. Two days ago I was in love with CDPR and GOG and right now they have to be nearing the top of my corporate shit-list.
I understand your feelings, but arn't you taking it too serious? After all, they practically said the patch that will bring back censored part will be released soon after the realease date. And one more thing - it's not like they had possibility to release uncesored version or cesored version in Oz.
The choice was to release censored version, or no Witcher 2 in Oz at all. So as far as I understand you and hate the situation, you have to admit they had no choice. And probably, they wanted to do the best, but failed.
Post edited May 06, 2011 by SLP2000
Switch296
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SLP2000
Registered: Dec 2009
From Poland
Posted May 06, 2011
Switch296: What is tipping me over the edge is the fact that New Zealand is being made to suffer for our poor video game rating system when it is it's own country and shouldn't have to.
Problably because they are the same market. I remember that when I bought Bioshock premium edition I found out it's censored, because it's the same version as sold in Germany. So I had to buy premiere edition, which was uncensored (because it was the same version as sold in UK). So, being a small (or smaller than neighbour) country sucks, and things like this happens.
And about CDP and NB not submitting TW2 - maybe they got "unofficial" info or something like that? NB could have some connections in the office, and they could get such info. Maybe it was even a part of a bargain - you cut sex quest prize off, and we won't bother you with any other requests. Too many possibilities, just to blame GOG/CDP without trying to understand.
Switch296
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Posted May 06, 2011
Switch296: What is tipping me over the edge is the fact that New Zealand is being made to suffer for our poor video game rating system when it is it's own country and shouldn't have to.
SLP2000: Problably because they are the same market. I remember that when I bought Bioshock premium edition I found out it's censored, because it's the same version as sold in Germany. So I had to buy premiere edition, which was uncensored (because it was the same version as sold in UK). So, being a small (or smaller than neighbour) country sucks, and things like this happens.
And about CDP and NB not submitting TW2 - maybe they got "unofficial" info or something like that? NB could have some connections in the office, and they could get such info. Maybe it was even a part of a bargain - you cut sex quest prize off, and we won't bother you with any other requests. Too many possibilities, just to blame GOG/CDP without trying to understand.