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Posted May 19, 2011
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takezodunmer2005: Here's an idea, why not simply play the game with polish voice-overs with English subtitles instead of English voices (American accents destroy immersion anyways)

Also, Gog are not developers nor do they have contact with any video game developers, so they have absolutely no control over what type of content is in the game. Furthermore, even if they did I don't like the idea of the game content being changed because of people who buy mature-rated games and then complain about the nudity and foul language.

Thank CROM this game wasn't developed in America, or Australia for that matter!
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BrianX: Thats a good idea actually, thanks. But I had the subtitles on even with the English voiceovers and they still showed profanity. Maybe I should learn Polish just for the quests lol.
Why don't you just create BrianX's no sex, no titties, no cursing mod for the game? It is probably easier than learning a new language.
Post edited May 19, 2011 by macuahuitlgog
Posted May 19, 2011
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BrianX: Depends on where you stroll. There are some places in New York City or London where it would be very odd to hear the type and amount of swearing that Witcher 1 does.
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Delixe: I guess the point I was making which seems to have been lost is that The Witcher is very close to it's source material and that's a good thing. You could also say A Game of Thrones is full of sex and violence but it's in the books as well. When things stray from the source material they not only upset the fans but they tend to butcher the story. Case in point is the movie Watchmen which Alan Moore was none too pleased with.
I haven't watched the Game of Thrones yet, but I like the lead actor. I agree with you though that source material is very important, but I may have been given the wrong impression of the books because, in my opinion, the overuse of sex and profanity just seemed tacked on. Its not so bad like the latest Leisure Suit Larry games, but its noticeable. Maybe Witcher 2 is improved and closer to the source material than the 1st game?
Posted May 19, 2011
Not going to happen. Even the censored North American release of the first game got an M, to get down to T would probably require removing all of the swearing, sex and gore in the game. Which would essentually involve remaking the game from scratch.
Posted May 19, 2011
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DelusionsBeta: Not going to happen. Even the censored North American release of the first game got an M, to get down to T would probably require removing all of the swearing, sex and gore in the game. Which would essentually involve remaking the game from scratch.
And calling it Wii Mario.
Posted May 19, 2011
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Delixe: I guess the point I was making which seems to have been lost is that The Witcher is very close to it's source material and that's a good thing. You could also say A Game of Thrones is full of sex and violence but it's in the books as well. When things stray from the source material they not only upset the fans but they tend to butcher the story. Case in point is the movie Watchmen which Alan Moore was none too pleased with.
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Tulivu: Very true. I think that understanding the source material is necessary to appreciate the product. Literature is entirely underrated these days, IMO. Gratuity has its place sometimes (Starship Troopers).

EDIT: No, not IMO. Its a fact.
I agree to a point. A videogame has to stand on its own apart from the books because many gamers may not know about the source material, don't read books, hate to read books, don't care about books, etc. Its like when they released the Lord of the Rings movies, my friend had NO clue there were books about the movies done more than 50 years ago. My friend just enjoyed the movies as they were presented without knowing nothing of the source material. Yes, the source enhances the experience, but when presenting it in a different medium where the art is presented differently (sometimes drastically) there may have to be 'modifications' made so that most will grasp the whole game. However, 'modifications' shouldn't be an excuse to crucify the story, etc. A good example, in my opinion, is how they presented Dragon Age 2 which feels COMPLETELY different from the first game. Don't dumb it down, but also have a balance of certain elements so that its not a schizophrenic offering (how I felt playing Witcher 1).
Posted May 19, 2011
You'll either need to find a mod, man up and deal with it, or just stop playing. Plenty of other games out there.
Posted May 19, 2011
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nondeplumage: "Would you mind putting in a lot of work to censor the game just for my poor wounded sensitivity? Because profanity and sex are silly, but man, I loved the killing."
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KavazovAngel: No offense to the OP, but... Well said!
It depends though on the context of the killing, right? I felt good when I killed evil creatures, but felt bad if an innocent got killed. Unless of course you play the Witcher character as totally evil without morals and LIKE to kill innocents. Again, it all boils down to context. In my opinion, the way they did the sex scenes and profanity was silly, but the violence and action scenes were right on target because of context (gritty setting, scary monsters, evil people).
Posted May 19, 2011
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Tulivu: Very true. I think that understanding the source material is necessary to appreciate the product. Literature is entirely underrated these days, IMO. Gratuity has its place sometimes (Starship Troopers).

EDIT: No, not IMO. Its a fact.
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BrianX: I agree to a point. A videogame has to stand on its own apart from the books because many gamers may not know about the source material, don't read books, hate to read books, don't care about books, etc. Its like when they released the Lord of the Rings movies, my friend had NO clue there were books about the movies done more than 50 years ago. My friend just enjoyed the movies as they were presented without knowing nothing of the source material. Yes, the source enhances the experience, but when presenting it in a different medium where the art is presented differently (sometimes drastically) there may have to be 'modifications' made so that most will grasp the whole game. However, 'modifications' shouldn't be an excuse to crucify the story, etc. A good example, in my opinion, is how they presented Dragon Age 2 which feels COMPLETELY different from the first game. Don't dumb it down, but also have a balance of certain elements so that its not a schizophrenic offering (how I felt playing Witcher 1).
Did you just say Dragon Age 2 is better than the Witcher?
Posted May 19, 2011
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Tulivu: Very true. I think that understanding the source material is necessary to appreciate the product. Literature is entirely underrated these days, IMO. Gratuity has its place sometimes (Starship Troopers).

EDIT: No, not IMO. Its a fact.
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bazilisek: The thing is: Sapkowski was born in 1948. From what I hear, I presume he's stuck in the mentality of late 1970s and 1980s Poland, and so are his books. Fair enough. But in adaptations, of all kinds, it is perfectly valid (and I'd even say required) to look at the source material critically, from your current perspective (because you're making your adaptation for a contemporary audience, naturally), and consider the possibility of tweaking it to fit the new context. And this is where I believe the game fails. At least for me, a thoroughly post-modern person who drank from the poisoned cup of equality and feminism and all that. The mindset is unacceptable to me, that's all there is to it.

One thing to stress, though: CDProjekt RED of course was free to choose the route they did with the adaptation. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. I'm just pointing out that as far as I'm concerned, it was a mistake.

And one last point: the word is used quite liberally here, and I believe the core issue is a misunderstanding of its definition. To me, "mature" is a mindset. Not tits.
Excellent post. Amen on the last sentence.
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KneeTheCap: I, for one, cannot imagine Geralt blurting out "By Bilbo's Blasted Boxers" or anything similar...

I mean, look at him. His Geralt of Rivia, the famous white wolf. Of course he swears.

And when dwarfs cuss at someone, it just is their nature. They are no fairytale dwarfs, they are heavily discriminated, angry and very hardheaded race.
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macuahuitlgog: Hahahah, yeah. Imagine a Witcher game with a Geralt that doesn't sleep with women, and says "By Bilbo's Blasted Boxers" when he is pissed off. And Triss is a rainbow princess sorceress. Geralt also has a sidekick named Stumpy that saves him once in awhile but other than that, he is pretty much useless.
Lol, I think you missed my point (however, I would LOVE if they did a Witcher 1 parody in EXACTLY the way you described it!). I was just trying to make the point that there are different ways to go about making a person seem badass: Darth Vader was a case in point. Do you think Darth Vader would have been more of a badass had he slept with countless Stormtrooperetts and cursed up a storm? Nah. I think there is a line between tasteless and tasteful and, in my opinion, Witcher 1 crossed it many times. There are too many examples to quote besides Darth Vader, in fact, I can name another character to make my point very well: Clint Eastwood's character in High Plains Drifter. There were times when Geralt would come oh so close to that character only to have it ruined by him saying something silly like "Abso-F--" you get the point.
Post edited May 19, 2011 by BrianX
Posted May 19, 2011
Seriously? What did you think you were going to get with a game that is rated "M for Mature", rainbows and ponies? Do you expect to go to a NC-17 or R rated movie and not have things like blood, boobies and bad words? If you are offended by contextually appropriate nudity, gore and swearing, then the solution is simple: don't buy mature rated games; stick with the "T for Teen" and lower rated games, they shouldn't offend your fragile sensibilities. The developers of The Witcher games don't need to be wasting their time or resources on creating a "don't offend the repressed American" patch just for you, they have much better things to do, like working on DLC for the Witcher 2 or starting on the Witcher 3.
Posted May 19, 2011
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BrianX: Over-react much? I was only asking if they had a patch, MOD, or if there was a censored version out there. The discussion of this thread then turned to the merits of adding 'Adult' content tastefully, etc. If ya can't stand the heat, get out of tha kitchen. AND I AM THE KING OF THE WORLD, BOW BEFORE ME.
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macuahuitlgog: I just love the game the way it is. And if you are the king of the world, then I am the emperor of the universe. :P
That's fine, I am not judging you for your tastes at all. I, personally speaking, enjoyed the Witcher's setting, gameplay, etc, but it was hard to stomach the constant stream of profanity that removed me from the immersion. Different strokes for different folks :)
Posted May 19, 2011
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cogadh: ...they have much better things to do, like working on DLC for the Witcher 2 or starting on the Witcher 3.
Hey, I haven't ruled out hope that they'll fit a sci-fi RPG in between there somewhere.
Posted May 19, 2011
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BrianX: I wouldn't mind having certain precautions just in case I want to play an 'Adult' game.
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Delixe: See now that's the very problem with the games industry. We have developers scared to use sex and bad language because they want to sell their games to the widest possible audience including kids. You only have to look at the dwindling amount of mature content in Bioware's games over the year.

We have over 18 movies, we have music that's not to be sold to minors so it baffles me we can't have games that are restricted to a certain age group. The Witcher should not be censored because the novels it's based on are not. If you are offended by the content then play something else because family friendly games are a dime a dozen these days.
"You only have to look at the increasing amount of bisexual, homosexual, and lesbian encounters in Bioware's games over the year." There I fixed it for ya :)

Come on. Just because there are relatively few games out there with 'Adult' content doesn't mean you have to jump on the bandwagon and out do them for sensationalist reasons. If anything, I believe that mature content is increasing and not only for games but for movies. Some of the stuff that goes for R these days is basically porn. If you did some research, I bet you would find that PG movies were much more prevalent decades ago than are now. Its either all R rated or G rated Pixar knockoffs.

I also don't mean to come off like I want to censer anything, not at all, I just wish that designers would offer a simple damn button that took out the profanity if not all the gratuitous sex scenes. I just ask for options, that's all! Why not sell both a PG-13 rated game and an R rated game? You might actually get a wider audience because you are casting the net out wider. Alot of TV shows do that where the show on TV is rated PG, but there are uncut and uncensored DVDs out there. Just gimme options to how much 'Adult' content I would like in the game rather than force me to endure through it, ESPECIALLY if its tasteless, which, in my opinion, I believe Witcher 1's Adult content was.
Posted May 19, 2011
I don't disagree with your assertion that The Witcher isn't quite as adult as it thinks it is, but I don't see what you'd get out of a chopped version. Just going through the game and extracting material the way you're describing is just going to leave noticeable holes. It's not the same as if the game had been better handled in the first place.

I thought Black Swan would have been a much better movie if they'd left out all the pointless schizophrenic crap and psycho-thriller pretensions and focused on making a more grounded dark drama. That doesn't mean I would want to watch a version of the film with all the CGI and dementia scenes cut out, because then it would just be complete nonsense.
Posted May 19, 2011
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BrianX: I don't have kids, yet. But when I do, I wouldn't mind having certain precautions just in case I want to play an 'Adult' game. That is another straw-man argument you thrust out there. Don't you think that ADULTS have kids?! So why not 'pander' to the a good majority of your adult audience that do have kids and are sensitive to what you want them exposed to at a young age and place a simple option to remove the profanity and sex scenes? I mean, isn't the idea of options behind games these days? If a game designer can add a bajillion options for graphics settings, surely they can add an option in the game to remove the more 'Adult' crap. By the way, I hope that you can one day grasp that Adult content and mature themes are completely different things and what goes for Adult these days is sensationalist crap that is lazily added on for sales.

If you REALLY like the Witcher's adult content so much (profanity and tasteless sex scenes and misogyny), why don't you download the awesomely adult Leisure Suit Larry game that just came out to RAVE reviews! Or, better yet, download the Playboy Mansion game and get yo freak on!

I repent that I ever implied that Lehti was a porno-freak (sorry, 'twas just teasing), that description fits you to a 'T.'
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bossonova: I can see why there are pissing contests. you ever point to that one person in a group and that is the person that ruins the fun for everyone else. this is brianx. i think that the mentality to change m rated witcher to a pg 13 experience is not very mature of him. The game is meant for mature people and yes there are even adults (brianx as proof) that are not mature and can't handle these types of games. The fact that there is too much profanity in these games for him as compared to less profanity is still having the same impact. A nude scene to be erased by a mod just spells immaturity to most. I thank the lord everyday that he is the minority within the videogame field or else all we will play is pg games. what a world that would be.
Yeah, I ruined the fun for everyone by pointing out the Witcher 1's gratiuitous and pointless sex scenes and immersion ruining stream of voice-garbage/profanity ruined the game for me. Whine much? All I ask is that designers either make better design decisions with regards to Adult material (tasteful), or at least give the option in-game to tone down some of the needless and pointless stuff (sex-scenes, profanity). Seriously, I ruined your fun? Wow. I bet to negate that, you downloaded the extra pr0n and heavy-duty profanity MOD huh?
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