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Posted May 22, 2011
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LordKuruku: Maybe. All I know is that I pity you.
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GameRager: I find people like BrianX "hilarious", and by hilarious I mean bloody annoying. Instead of buying/playing/using stuff they like and keeping their noses out of stuff they don't, they stick their noses into things they dislike/loathe/hate/abhor with quips about they wish said stuff could be "improved" in some way to be more sensible/tasteful/etc. Here's a bit of advice for such people: You don't like a game's swearing/naughty bits? Then don't PLAY IT. You don't like the nudity in a tv program(like Tudors/HBO specials/etc)? Don't sit there watching it while getting enraged about it's "indecent ways"....just change the bloody channel.

Fuck, stop trying to tell others(even if under the veil of being helpful/suggestive/nice) what to do and how to do it & what you think needs changing. Just do/play/eat/listen (to) something else, and leave our stuff alone. Everyone has something out there that they'll find enjoyable....the market demands it so businesses cater to almost every major interest in many fields. Just don't expect us to change things that don't fit you into something they shouldn't be to fit YOU.

Oh and btw, stop talking down to those of us who have a healthy interest in nudity/sex like we're two year olds.....it's bloody annoying as hell.
I understand why you would call yourself 'GameRager.'
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Kabuto: Being sick the last few days actually resulted in the benefit of avoiding BrianX and his 1950's thinking. Hooray!
Its actually 1800s thinking thankyouverymuch! Hope you feel better kiddo :)
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Kabuto: Being sick the last few days actually resulted in the benefit of avoiding BrianX and his 1950's thinking. Hooray!
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GameRager: I missed the start of it as well, but managed to read maybe 5 pages before it turned into a cyclical religious debate & I went meh and just skipped to the end. I don't think i've missed much of note, anyways.
Then why post at all, seriously?
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Posted May 22, 2011
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BrianX: I understand why you would call yourself 'GameRager.'
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Then why post at all, seriously?
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GameRager: 1. Ad hominem attacks, and veiled ones too......lovely.

2. Because someone had to cure this cloud of stupid you were giving off......and also the gist of an argument is all that is needed to really contribute to a conversation. One does not need to hear the same thing over and over to reply to it.
you wrote: "1. Ad hominem attacks, and veiled ones too......lovely."

Oh please, don't pretend to be so offended, you are much better than that ;) plus, you gave that name to yourself, not me :)

2. That was a week reason. Again, why post? Don't you have anything better to do than waste energy on me? Plus, you were the one who felt the burning need to vent your anger out on something that most of GOG left behind hours ago.
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lukipela: Psst... religion is just a way for people to explain things they do not understand.

Stop pretending like it has any scientific or factual basis. It exists because of a lack of a scientific explanation for things.
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bossonova: That sounds very refreshing to say the least. Don't bother with brianX because he is close minded and is not open to his own nature as it is disguised as what he calls his faith. His points and logic basis is very similiar to a serial murderer. He excuses his own actions cause jesus already died for his sins, LOL. Let me fill you in on something lukipela, the base form of motivation is fear. From what i have read from brian X posts is alot of fear of the unknown. That is why he so claimed to live his life like jesus and is very quick to point out his sins are all resolved from the cross. I have a bat with a couple nails in the head of it just in case Jehova's witness comes by, they start up with this shit like brian X is preaching about , i show them the bat and away they run. Just like a bunch of fuckin pansies like they are. i have had a huge laugh at brian X expense because of his false speculation and handling of his anger towards regular people like me. brianX is a very angry individual towards the world and he sheilds himself within his bubble of his so called faith so whenever he is pissed off he starts in with his radical reasoning and falsehood logic. please lukipela hope that you will never come in contact with people like brianX cause they are the most dangerous people around :)
You wrote: "I have a bat with a couple nails in the head of it just in case Jehova's witness comes by, they start up with this shit like brian X is preaching about , i show them the bat and away they run"

Sounds like you have way more fear than I do Boss.

Also, since you claim you know my nature so well, what is YOUR nature Boss? It seems you have it all figured out yourself, care to enlighten me?
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Posted May 22, 2011
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BrianX: you wrote: "1. Ad hominem attacks, and veiled ones too......lovely."

Oh please, don't pretend to be so offended, you are much better than that ;) plus, you gave that name to yourself, not me :)

2. That was a week reason. Again, why post? Don't you have anything better to do than waste energy on me? Plus, you were the one who felt the burning need to vent your anger out on something that most of GOG left behind hours ago.
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GameRager: 1. Again, ad hominems are usually the fallback of a weak mind and weaker point.

2. Weak...and I replied because you seem like one who needs to be enlightened with the aura of wisdom. Plus your prudish nature and the want to have material changed to reflect and adhere to that nature needed fixing.
Seriously, I think you are man (woman?) enough to take a little teasing about your name. Besides, it was a truth statement and not an 'Add Eminem' when I stated that you gave yourself that name. Unless you misspelled the word 'Ranger'...

And look at the pot calling kettle black, you wrote, "are usually the fallback of a weak mind and weaker point."

That statement is more of a personal attack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) on my character than me teasing about your name :P

So again, I ask, why are you so friggin' bored to come all the way over to this 10th page of a thread to attack me personally? Did someone tell you about me (Bossonova, Vestin?) and you wanted to add yourself to the pile on and personal attacks? At least post something substantial in response to my original post because you are seriously boring me.
Posted May 22, 2011
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BrianX: you wrote: "1. Ad hominem attacks, and veiled ones too......lovely."

Oh please, don't pretend to be so offended, you are much better than that ;) plus, you gave that name to yourself, not me :)

2. That was a week reason. Again, why post? Don't you have anything better to do than waste energy on me? Plus, you were the one who felt the burning need to vent your anger out on something that most of GOG left behind hours ago.
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GameRager: 1. Again, ad hominems are usually the fallback of a weak mind and weaker point.

2. Weak...and I replied because you seem like one who needs to be enlightened with the aura of wisdom. Plus your prudish nature and the want to have material changed to reflect and adhere to that nature needed fixing.
You definetly bring something new to the table GameRager. What you said is true but brianX just doesn't get it. For the past 5 pages or so people have come in and out and some have sticked around to enjoy brianX 's Holier than Though attitude. He has a comeback for everything except for what i wrote about him yesterday. why? because it is true. and more importantly he thinks it is true. you see as i said we all have been just describing brianX but he views it as personal attacks. Its too bad he does not understand what we all take for granted, what is right infront of his own eyes he cannot see. BrianX covers it up by quoting things from the bible or verbally insulting people or trying some of his circular logic to trap you in. this only proves he has such a low level of respect for his fellow man. It is from thinking that all day when preople interact with him he is under attack again, its understandable. I feel sorry for people like brianX cause they are very ignorant. The world is such a big place with lots of things to see in it and do but brianX will never see it or do anything substantial in it because he has a closed mind.
Posted May 22, 2011
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GameRager: 1. Again, ad hominems are usually the fallback of a weak mind and weaker point.

2. Weak...and I replied because you seem like one who needs to be enlightened with the aura of wisdom. Plus your prudish nature and the want to have material changed to reflect and adhere to that nature needed fixing.
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bossonova: You definetly bring something new to the table GameRager. What you said is true but brianX just doesn't get it. For the past 5 pages or so people have come in and out and some have sticked around to enjoy brianX 's Holier than Though attitude. He has a comeback for everything except for what i wrote about him yesterday. why? because it is true. and more importantly he thinks it is true. you see as i said we all have been just describing brianX but he views it as personal attacks. Its too bad he does not understand what we all take for granted, what is right infront of his own eyes he cannot see. BrianX covers it up by quoting things from the bible or verbally insulting people or trying some of his circular logic to trap you in. this only proves he has such a low level of respect for his fellow man. It is from thinking that all day when preople interact with him he is under attack again, its understandable. I feel sorry for people like brianX cause they are very ignorant. The world is such a big place with lots of things to see in it and do but brianX will never see it or do anything substantial in it because he has a closed mind.
Boss, you seem a bit more relaxed and cool-headed today, that's good :)

Well guys, I think I'm take my close-minded butt outta here and go burn some heretics at the stake, take care and happy gaming :)

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Boss, you are so right, this world is amazing with all its variety, complexity, and sheer depth of things to do in it, so you have definitely opened my mind and reminded me that its a sheer waste of time to be on forums (at least past 2 or 3 pages!). Thanks dude, take care and remember to keep knocking, seeking, and asking because God does love you even though you do not know Him yet. I will pray for you my friend, peace.
Posted May 22, 2011
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BrianX: Please point out the many things he did wrong, and please, don't refer to the Gnostic gospels okay? ;)
You realize your canonized Gospel of John is gnostic, right?

I'm sure we don't have to go into all the inconsistencies in the various versions of the Gospel of Mark, do we?
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Lehti: Just wondering - what exactly would you like to be removed? From Witcher 1 to be specific, as I haven't had time to begin Witcher 2 yet.

Some of the stuff might be easy - for example, there is a version with censored "sex cards", removing some of the nudity.
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BrianX: The profanity mainly. Its just so jarring, especially in a fantasy setting, to hear a dwarf or elf say 'C**k Sucker!" I mean, come on, REALLY?! I mean at least be creative and come up with a term that sounds like a curse-word but fits the universe. For example, in the new Battlestar Galactica series, the characters use 'Frak' instead of F**K. That was actually pretty creative. With a fantasy universe they could even be more creative, like having a dwarf say "By Bilbo's Blasted Boxers" or something. A character can still use something pretty extreme without having to use the F word or something worse. I also want to be sure my kids won't stumble upon the game and get the wrong idea.
This is what I always say when I'm going into combat where I might die: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/8/11/
Post edited May 22, 2011 by orcishgamer
Posted May 22, 2011
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bossonova: You definetly bring something new to the table GameRager. What you said is true but brianX just doesn't get it. For the past 5 pages or so people have come in and out and some have sticked around to enjoy brianX 's Holier than Though attitude. He has a comeback for everything except for what i wrote about him yesterday. why? because it is true. and more importantly he thinks it is true. you see as i said we all have been just describing brianX but he views it as personal attacks. Its too bad he does not understand what we all take for granted, what is right infront of his own eyes he cannot see. BrianX covers it up by quoting things from the bible or verbally insulting people or trying some of his circular logic to trap you in. this only proves he has such a low level of respect for his fellow man. It is from thinking that all day when preople interact with him he is under attack again, its understandable. I feel sorry for people like brianX cause they are very ignorant. The world is such a big place with lots of things to see in it and do but brianX will never see it or do anything substantial in it because he has a closed mind.
Whether Brian is a troll or just set in his beliefs, the effect is similar.

At this point, it's perfectly plain that for better or for worse nobody's opinion is going to be change, and as such there's no particular reason for folks to keep arguing.

But OTOH, TW is the only game I've ever played with NPCs peeing complete with meat and two bits visible.
Posted May 22, 2011
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BrianX: Please point out the many things he did wrong, and please, don't refer to the Gnostic gospels okay? ;)
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orcishgamer: You realize your canonized Gospel of John is gnostic, right?

I'm sure we don't have to go into all the inconsistencies in the various versions of the Gospel of Mark, do we?
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BrianX: The profanity mainly. Its just so jarring, especially in a fantasy setting, to hear a dwarf or elf say 'C**k Sucker!" I mean, come on, REALLY?! I mean at least be creative and come up with a term that sounds like a curse-word but fits the universe. For example, in the new Battlestar Galactica series, the characters use 'Frak' instead of F**K. That was actually pretty creative. With a fantasy universe they could even be more creative, like having a dwarf say "By Bilbo's Blasted Boxers" or something. A character can still use something pretty extreme without having to use the F word or something worse. I also want to be sure my kids won't stumble upon the game and get the wrong idea.
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orcishgamer: This is what I always say when I'm going into combat where I might die: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2008/8/11/
Orcish, I recommend, "Dethroning Jesus" by Daniel Wallace and Darrell Bock. I already discussed this earlier with Vestin, just read back a few pages of the thread where he and I discussed the Gnostics and their gospels.

This is nothing new however, many of the Patristic Fathers (Irenaeus,Polycarp, etc) had to deal with heresies and 'lost gospels' during the early foundations of the Christian faith. Like I told Vestin earlier: the Gnostic gospels are to the Bible what Harry Potter fan-fic is to the original Harry Potter books.

This site also may help answer some questions about the Gnostics:

http://www.gotquestions.org/Gnostic-gospels.html

And yes, please send me links of the inconsistencies of Mark and your evidence that the canonized version of John is Gnostic as well (interesting that the Gnostics appeared about 50 to 100 years AFTER the original Gospels were written and distributed throughout the ancient world's churches, but don't let facts get in the way of your faith that the Gnostics were authentic Christians). You can send me the links and info through the PM here at GOG.com, I would be more than happy to look at them and reply to you through a PM as well, I look forward to it.

I would also recommend a book by Ben Witherington called "What have they done with Jesus." That book, along with "Dethroning Jesus" takes an in-depth look at the so-called "Lost Gospels," the Gnostics, the 'Q' source, the Nag Hammadhi library finds, the Tomb of Jesus claim, and a bit about Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code."

Also, take a look at this, it might help clear up some difficulties you may have with the supposed 'Synoptic Problem' : http://www.gotquestions.org/synoptic-problem.html

There are answers, but you may not like them.

Oh, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that the "Dethroning Jesus" book takes a long hard look at the claims of Bart Ehrman. You can also google some really interesting debates between William Lane Craig and Bart Ehrman and James White vs. Bart Ehrman. Its a real treat to watch two scholars with completely different belief systems debate theological/historical documents. Peace.
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Posted May 22, 2011
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BrianX: ....
You don't need to worry, I'm well aware of all the hand wringing that's gone on over this. You're view of historical accuracy is, I suppose, the only one that let's you reconcile it all in your head, but incorrect nonetheless. Feel free to visit the various university professors across the US that can do a far better job than I demonstrating the gnosticism of John.

Gnostic mysteries were very common in that era and pre-date the stapling together of the Bible by centuries. Note, that kooks claiming to be the messiah were extremely common around the time of Jesus as well, as they weren't terribly fond of Roman rule.

You're of course aware that the oldest versions of Mark we have available fail to mention the supposed resurrection, yes I'm aware of all the hand wringing about "they left space!", the simple answer was, that shit is inconsistent. I've read the KJV of the Bible in English and the Louis Segond version in French, they don't match, you know why? Because they were using different "favorite" manuscripts. They can't even tell in some what's notes left in the margins versus actual copied content from the predecessor.
Posted May 22, 2011
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bossonova: You definetly bring something new to the table GameRager. What you said is true but brianX just doesn't get it. For the past 5 pages or so people have come in and out and some have sticked around to enjoy brianX 's Holier than Though attitude. He has a comeback for everything except for what i wrote about him yesterday. why? because it is true. and more importantly he thinks it is true. you see as i said we all have been just describing brianX but he views it as personal attacks. Its too bad he does not understand what we all take for granted, what is right infront of his own eyes he cannot see. BrianX covers it up by quoting things from the bible or verbally insulting people or trying some of his circular logic to trap you in. this only proves he has such a low level of respect for his fellow man. It is from thinking that all day when preople interact with him he is under attack again, its understandable. I feel sorry for people like brianX cause they are very ignorant. The world is such a big place with lots of things to see in it and do but brianX will never see it or do anything substantial in it because he has a closed mind.
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hedwards: Whether Brian is a troll or just set in his beliefs, the effect is similar.

At this point, it's perfectly plain that for better or for worse nobody's opinion is going to be change, and as such there's no particular reason for folks to keep arguing.

But OTOH, TW is the only game I've ever played with NPCs peeing complete with meat and two bits visible.
Thanks for being so negative hed (but I won't accuse you of using an 'ad hominem' attack like GameRager did, I am more polite), glad you could join in and add some substance to the discussion. Oh wait, you did! You discussed peeing and seeing naughty bits in a game, awesome! Much more important!
Posted May 22, 2011
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BrianX: ....
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orcishgamer: You don't need to worry, I'm well aware of all the hand wringing that's gone on over this. You're view of historical accuracy is, I suppose, the only one that let's you reconcile it all in your head, but incorrect nonetheless. Feel free to visit the various university professors across the US that can do a far better job than I demonstrating the gnosticism of John.

Gnostic mysteries were very common in that era and pre-date the stapling together of the Bible by centuries. Note, that kooks claiming to be the messiah were extremely common around the time of Jesus as well, as they weren't terribly fond of Roman rule.

You're of course aware that the oldest versions of Mark we have available fail to mention the supposed resurrection, yes I'm aware of all the hand wringing about "they left space!", the simple answer was, that shit is inconsistent. I've read the KJV of the Bible in English and the Louis Segond version in French, they don't match, you know why? Because they were using different "favorite" manuscripts. They can't even tell in some what's notes left in the margins versus actual copied content from the predecessor.
Wow! I am glad you are this thorough and fair with ALL ancient texts! I mean, why criticize ancient texts like the 'Iliad' (which have far LESS original manuscript evidence than the Bible does) when you can go after the Bible which has been scrutinized, teared apart, and analyzed for more than 2000 years. But hey, I guess it depends on the type of assumptions and presumptions one brings to the table when doing research and study, right?

Also, I am sure you are aware that there are many different schools of ancient Biblical manuscript scholarship studies right? Lets see, besides the generic U.S. Universities (not knocking them!), there are Liberal, Conservative, and a mix of both schools that have equal access to the manuscripts as well. But, one side can always be biased, right? Being biased doesn't have to always be the sole property of 'Bible Thumpers (TM)' and religious nuts, right? But, like you accuse me of being set in my ways, I assume that you too have decided once and for all too!

So, while there are many Liberal schools out there that take the road of Higher Criticism, there are many other schools, conservative, moderate (and some very few open-minded Liberal institutions), that also have access to the same material and manuscripts and come away with completely different opinions. But, I suppose you will dismiss all that because you have made up your mind. Your choice.

I recommend you check out R. C. Sproul's "Battle for the Mind." Sproul discusses much of what we are talking about (higher criticism, secular vs. theological, etc). Peace.
Posted May 22, 2011
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BrianX: Thanks for being so negative hed (but I won't accuse you of using an 'ad hominem' attack like GameRager did, I am more polite), glad you could join in and add some substance to the discussion. Oh wait, you did! You discussed peeing and seeing naughty bits in a game, awesome! Much more important!
Sigh, if you're going to get into scraps around here, there's no sense in letting you do it completely unarmed.

The first link lists most of the common fallacies, I'm not sure that they're all there, but there should be enough to get you started. The second link is about how to take that knowledge and weave it into a cogent argument. (And the fact that the second one is an atheist site is purely coincidental as it was linked from the first

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html
Posted May 22, 2011
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BrianX: ....
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orcishgamer: You don't need to worry, I'm well aware of all the hand wringing that's gone on over this. You're view of historical accuracy is, I suppose, the only one that let's you reconcile it all in your head, but incorrect nonetheless. Feel free to visit the various university professors across the US that can do a far better job than I demonstrating the gnosticism of John.

Gnostic mysteries were very common in that era and pre-date the stapling together of the Bible by centuries. Note, that kooks claiming to be the messiah were extremely common around the time of Jesus as well, as they weren't terribly fond of Roman rule.

You're of course aware that the oldest versions of Mark we have available fail to mention the supposed resurrection, yes I'm aware of all the hand wringing about "they left space!", the simple answer was, that shit is inconsistent. I've read the KJV of the Bible in English and the Louis Segond version in French, they don't match, you know why? Because they were using different "favorite" manuscripts. They can't even tell in some what's notes left in the margins versus actual copied content from the predecessor.
Oh, and I know there are quite a few people who do 'hand-wringing,' just like there are political debates where a politician was not prepared for the facts that the opposition would bring to the table. It boils down to research and study. In fact the Bible encourages us to 'Renew our Minds' and to always be prepared to give a good account (research, study, etc). Faith can only be shaken if it is weak and vulnerable.

See, it is beyond amazing that you ASSUME that I am bringing up everything I have stated from thin air as if the I can't create another tab in Firefox to use Google. Come on, get with the times Orcish! I may be a 'Troll' but at least give me credit for being a fairly intelligent one ;)

I also find it amazing (and a tad hypocritical) that you would assume I am using just my own made up facts when you haven't given me a SHRED of credible evidence from your own statements. I have to take EVERYTHING you give by faith! I have given you many links, please send me some of yours! I REALLY don't have time to visit Universities, and the two colleges I attended are several hours away and I can't afford the extra gas right now.


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BrianX: Thanks for being so negative hed (but I won't accuse you of using an 'ad hominem' attack like GameRager did, I am more polite), glad you could join in and add some substance to the discussion. Oh wait, you did! You discussed peeing and seeing naughty bits in a game, awesome! Much more important!
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hedwards: Sigh, if you're going to get into scraps around here, there's no sense in letting you do it completely unarmed.

The first link lists most of the common fallacies, I'm not sure that they're all there, but there should be enough to get you started. The second link is about how to take that knowledge and weave it into a cogent argument. (And the fact that the second one is an atheist site is purely coincidental as it was linked from the first

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html
Cool! Thank you. I've been to Infidel but not nizkor, thanks. It may take me awhile to go through them (its 10:16PM here), but I will add them to my bookmarks and peruse soon. I mean, if all I am after is the truth, then it shouldn't hurt one bit to look at opposing viewpoints, correct? Do you mind if I send a PM to you once I finish reading the sections and doing research?
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Posted May 22, 2011
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hedwards: Sigh, if you're going to get into scraps around here, there's no sense in letting you do it completely unarmed.

The first link lists most of the common fallacies, I'm not sure that they're all there, but there should be enough to get you started. The second link is about how to take that knowledge and weave it into a cogent argument. (And the fact that the second one is an atheist site is purely coincidental as it was linked from the first

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html
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BrianX: Cool! Thank you. I've been to Infidel but not nizkor, thanks. It may take me awhile to go through them (its 10:16PM here), but I will add them to my bookmarks and peruse soon. I mean, if all I am after is the truth, then it shouldn't hurt one bit to look at opposing viewpoints, correct? Do you mind if I send a PM to you once I finish reading the sections and doing research?
Go ahead, but this is finals week so I'll likely be offline for much of the next few days.

I think a lot of these arguments stem from a disagreement over what the terms are and should be for debating the issue. It's unrealistic to think that anybody's going to come to a real consensus, but arguing should at least be done in a civilized way.
Posted May 22, 2011
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BrianX: Thanks for being so negative hed (but I won't accuse you of using an 'ad hominem' attack like GameRager did, I am more polite), glad you could join in and add some substance to the discussion. Oh wait, you did! You discussed peeing and seeing naughty bits in a game, awesome! Much more important!
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hedwards: Sigh, if you're going to get into scraps around here, there's no sense in letting you do it completely unarmed.

The first link lists most of the common fallacies, I'm not sure that they're all there, but there should be enough to get you started. The second link is about how to take that knowledge and weave it into a cogent argument. (And the fact that the second one is an atheist site is purely coincidental as it was linked from the first

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html
I've also got two websites that you might be interested if you want the opposing side's viewpoints presented logically and in a fair and reasonable manner:

http://www.tektonics.org/index.html

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/

I think you would enjoy them if you give them a chance :)
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BrianX: Cool! Thank you. I've been to Infidel but not nizkor, thanks. It may take me awhile to go through them (its 10:16PM here), but I will add them to my bookmarks and peruse soon. I mean, if all I am after is the truth, then it shouldn't hurt one bit to look at opposing viewpoints, correct? Do you mind if I send a PM to you once I finish reading the sections and doing research?
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hedwards: Go ahead, but this is finals week so I'll likely be offline for much of the next few days.

I think a lot of these arguments stem from a disagreement over what the terms are and should be for debating the issue. It's unrealistic to think that anybody's going to come to a real consensus, but arguing should at least be done in a civilized way.
Well, even if we never get to the EXACT truth, it is much better to get as close as we can, right? I mean, it can't hurt to at least try, its the humbling part and setting aside of pride that is the toughest part in the quest for ultimate truth.

I am also in agreement that definitions and terms must be clearly defined or miscommunication and misunderstanding can arise too often. Like Obama said, "Words mean things."

Amen to the civilized way of debating/discussion/discourse, much like Jesus did in the New Testament :) oh, and the healing and miracles was cool too ;)

I can just send you a PM and then you can respond when you want to, no hurry. Good luck with your finals.
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