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BrianX: True. I still think my idea of having options to tone down certain elements of Adult games (like they give for graphics cards settings) would be a nice feature and would actually make the game more accessible for certain sensitive individuals such as myself :)

It speaks volumes that my idea is worth considering because of how many MODs are available in other games (Oblivion is one example) that tone down certain elements. I don't think it would be too difficult to give us gamers more options in that department.
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cogadh: I could point to just as many mods that increase certain types of content, like nude mods or the infamous "Hot Coffee" mod. Should we also have a built-in function that increases such content within a game?
That is actually a good question. I don't think it would actually hurt, but there would have to be limits in order for a game to be sold. In my opinion, MOST people would decrease rather than increase the levels of nudity and profanity, especially if the game already had high levels of it (which begs the question, what is a high level and what is not?!).

I think it would depend on the game. I could see a game where you could increase the amount of guns, monsters, etc, but would it really serve the game if you could increase the amount of nudity and profanity? Maybe if it were a GTA game.

I think most people download those MODs because of curiosity or for a good laugh, then they uninstall it and go back to either vanilla or useful MODs that enhance the game-play.

Then again, you MIGHT download the extra nudity MOD to say, Oblivion, if a certain beach or continent had people that wore little clothing. I think context is key here; you can see where it fits in the universe of Conan rather than GTA.
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bossonova: You did miss the point but that is because i made you upset. sex scenes and profanity are not needless and pointless and they do not need to be toned down because it would change the essence of the game. Deralt would not be seen in the same light as he is now. if you had the power you would ruin everybody's fun as long as it caters to your toned down garbage method. wake up brian. this is the year 2011 so smell the coffee. If you really want toned down then move to the middle east. you really should not make assumptions within your anger rant cause you just look fuckin stupid. your not as bright as you think you are.
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BrianX: Yes, its 2011 and we should INCREASE the level of ridiculously placed profanity in videogames and ENLARGE even further the breastessess!!! WE NEED TO GROW UP, ITS 2011 PEOPLEZ! WE NEED MORE PORN AND VERBAL DIARRHEA!!!

Why, boss, I feel so silly and stupid! You have opened my eyes! I have been living in the Middle East under a rock all these years!! Oh happy day! I need to smell the Hot Coffee MOD and increase the level of immature (disguised as mature and 'adult') content so that the gameplay, setting, monsters, characters, atmosphere, and story are enhanced by 8 to the fifth power! I HAVE BEEN SO BLIND!!!

My Middle Eastern brothers need to wake up and start stripping their women in the streets from head to toe so that their nakedness need not be covered up! NAKEDNESS IS AWESOMENESS! Why, I need to reveal to my repressed American Middle Eastern brothers that constant pointless profanity and cursing is beneficial to our health and souls! I DEMAND MORE BECAUSE TO BE IMMATURE IS TO BE AN ADULT!!!

Thanks boss, for opening up my eyes, sorry I ruined the game for you. :)
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nondeplumage: Hey, I haven't ruled out hope that they'll fit a sci-fi RPG in between there somewhere.
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BrianX: For all my negativity on the 'Adult' stuff in W1, I think these guys would do an absolute bang up job on a sci-fi universe RPG. I really think the guys behind W1 and 2 are really the last of the few game companies that actually care and want to make really amazing video-games. One day soon, I think video-games will be seen the way top-notch movies are viewed. We are getting close, I just hope that Role-Playing games will get there faster :)
You didn't really ruin the game for me because luckily you can't ruin the game for me. Nice try at being sarcastic and changing subjects. You need alot of growing up to do. I can still see that u did not speak about what i stated. This is how u deal with your anger and frustruation by being silly. you are a silly fuckin idiot that can't defend your own principles because they are just as silly as you are. it is ok though. cause your vote really doesn't count for anything, your just a troll. At least now i have proof. tnx for playing.
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BrianX: Can I print this out and send it to CDProjekt?!
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Smannesman: Of course, it's signed with your name.
Be sure to post their reply though.
Well, you forgot to add the awesome 'X' after my name :(
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BrianX: Yes, I am a repressed America because I like good taste. Sounds like you ate a delicious terd for you to get all bent out of shape over my comment, I guess I ruined your fun by pointing out in a very detailed way that W1's use of sex scenes and profanity was needlessly tacked on and jarring. I AM SO REPRESSED!
Taste is subjective. What is good taste to you is not necessarily good taste to anyone else. If it hasn't already been made clear to you by some of the responses you have received here, your taste is not what most of us would consider "good"; maybe "old-fashioned" or "restrictive", perhaps even "puritanical", but definitely not "good".

Frankly, you are repressed if you are offended by the content in the Witcher (sex scenes? please, I've seen worse stuff in music videos on MTV 20 years ago). Let me explain something to you that you seem to be unaware of: people swear in real life... all the time, people have sex in real life... all the time, people get naked in real life... all the time. Being offended by content that is simply a natural part of being human is the definition of repressed. You don't like what the Witcher has to offer, then why did you even buy it, knowing full well what its rating meant for the content in the game?

BTW - Nice job side-stepping my whole point and focusing on one minor factor of that point, very trollish of you.
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BrianX: That is true, I did make the wrong choice in hindsight, but learning from mistakes is a part of life.

Also, what I meant by 'forced' is that, when you are in the game, you have to listen to the profanity (unless you press escape and then miss all the story). With the sex scenes you have options, you don't HAVE to sleep with anyone, at least not in the parts that I played. Its not that I hate sex, its just that I felt it was tacky and pointless (in Fable it makes more sense to me). But at least I could chose, within the game, not to bed every girl (although those grannies looked pretty hot!!!).
So because of your shortsightedness, CPDRed should change a game that is already 4 years old, just to suit your particular sensibilities? No, I'm pretty sure the proper response is you should read the label before you buy next time.
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BrianX: That is actually a good question. I don't think it would actually hurt, but there would have to be limits in order for a game to be sold. In my opinion, MOST people would decrease rather than increase the levels of nudity and profanity, especially if the game already had high levels of it (which begs the question, what is a high level and what is not?!).

I think it would depend on the game. I could see a game where you could increase the amount of guns, monsters, etc, but would it really serve the game if you could increase the amount of nudity and profanity? Maybe if it were a GTA game.

I think most people download those MODs because of curiosity or for a good laugh, then they uninstall it and go back to either vanilla or useful MODs that enhance the game-play.

Then again, you MIGHT download the extra nudity MOD to say, Oblivion, if a certain beach or continent had people that wore little clothing. I think context is key here; you can see where it fits in the universe of Conan rather than GTA.
Wow, I've seen some clueless stuff posted here before, but this takes the cake. You seriously believe that if given the option to decrease or increase the amount of profanity, sex and nudity in a game from the default, that more people are going to choose to decrease? You don't know anything at all about human nature, do you?
Post edited May 19, 2011 by cogadh
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BrianX: But I have to disagree with you Mental, I think that if they would have toned down the Witcher 1's profanity, and made less ado about the sex scenes, it wouldn't have ruined the experience.
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Matchstickman: Yes, it would have. Just not for you.

I would argue that it was ruined for the people who bought the game because it was based on the Witcher books, which do contain that amount of swearing and nudity.

Just because a lot of other developers, writers and movie producers use a kinder, gentler world does not mean that it is appropriate for this game, and you came in expecting the wrong version because you knew nothing about the source material.

A fantasy world is not every fantasy world,
Good point. I liked the Conan books better than the Lord of the Rings, because it was grittier and more violent (although LoTR is AWESOME). I can like it all now, but there are certain things that don't cater to my taste and I have to be more aware of that. It's not CDProjekt's fault at all, they jumped through all the censortastic hoops to make the kind of adult game they wanted to based on the books.
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BrianX: Yes, its 2011 and we should INCREASE the level of ridiculously placed profanity in videogames and ENLARGE even further the breastessess!!! WE NEED TO GROW UP, ITS 2011 PEOPLEZ! WE NEED MORE PORN AND VERBAL DIARRHEA!!!

Why, boss, I feel so silly and stupid! You have opened my eyes! I have been living in the Middle East under a rock all these years!! Oh happy day! I need to smell the Hot Coffee MOD and increase the level of immature (disguised as mature and 'adult') content so that the gameplay, setting, monsters, characters, atmosphere, and story are enhanced by 8 to the fifth power! I HAVE BEEN SO BLIND!!!

My Middle Eastern brothers need to wake up and start stripping their women in the streets from head to toe so that their nakedness need not be covered up! NAKEDNESS IS AWESOMENESS! Why, I need to reveal to my repressed American Middle Eastern brothers that constant pointless profanity and cursing is beneficial to our health and souls! I DEMAND MORE BECAUSE TO BE IMMATURE IS TO BE AN ADULT!!!

Thanks boss, for opening up my eyes, sorry I ruined the game for you. :)


For all my negativity on the 'Adult' stuff in W1, I think these guys would do an absolute bang up job on a sci-fi universe RPG. I really think the guys behind W1 and 2 are really the last of the few game companies that actually care and want to make really amazing video-games. One day soon, I think video-games will be seen the way top-notch movies are viewed. We are getting close, I just hope that Role-Playing games will get there faster :)
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bossonova: You didn't really ruin the game for me because luckily you can't ruin the game for me. Nice try at being sarcastic and changing subjects. You need alot of growing up to do. I can still see that u did not speak about what i stated. This is how u deal with your anger and frustruation by being silly. you are a silly fuckin idiot that can't defend your own principles because they are just as silly as you are. it is ok though. cause your vote really doesn't count for anything, your just a troll. At least now i have proof. tnx for playing.
Geez Boss, sensitive much? Come on. You really can't be serious in your claim that I need a lot of growing up to do when you call me a 'silly f*ckin idiot.' Pot calling the kettle black and all that...

I replied to you in the way you deserved because your attitude was abrasive and rude. I know you are angry and upset that I ruined the game for you, but I have a solution for you:

Grow up.
Post edited May 19, 2011 by BrianX
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takezodunmer2005: Here's an idea, why not simply play the game with polish voice-overs with English subtitles instead of English voices (American accents destroy immersion anyways)
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Lehti: Clever! :) Especially as AFAIK, the audio was originally recorded in Polish.
Also you can hear it in Czechoslovakian, Russian, Italian, German, and American, though it would've been better if they included English, and Finnish! ;^) (The enhanced edition that is..)
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Matchstickman: Yes, it would have. Just not for you.

I would argue that it was ruined for the people who bought the game because it was based on the Witcher books, which do contain that amount of swearing and nudity.

Just because a lot of other developers, writers and movie producers use a kinder, gentler world does not mean that it is appropriate for this game, and you came in expecting the wrong version because you knew nothing about the source material.

A fantasy world is not every fantasy world,
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BrianX: Good point. I liked the Conan books better than the Lord of the Rings, because it was grittier and more violent (although LoTR is AWESOME). I can like it all now, but there are certain things that don't cater to my taste and I have to be more aware of that. It's not CDProjekt's fault at all, they jumped through all the censortastic hoops to make the kind of adult game they wanted to based on the books.
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bossonova: You didn't really ruin the game for me because luckily you can't ruin the game for me. Nice try at being sarcastic and changing subjects. You need alot of growing up to do. I can still see that u did not speak about what i stated. This is how u deal with your anger and frustruation by being silly. you are a silly fuckin idiot that can't defend your own principles because they are just as silly as you are. it is ok though. cause your vote really doesn't count for anything, your just a troll. At least now i have proof. tnx for playing.
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BrianX: Geez Boss, sensitive much? Come on. You really can't be serious in your claim that I need a lot of growing up to do when you call me a 'silly f*ckin idiot.' Pot calling the kettle black and all that...

I replied to you in the way you deserved because your attitude was abrasive and rude. I know you are angry and upset that I ruined the game for you, but I have a solution for you:

Grow up.
You still have not got to the point. i know your very angry because the context may have threw you off. Troll much? your only saying that the witcher should have been toned down to your standards for everyone to not enjoy. thats it. but what may be good for you is not good for everyone, but you obviously think to seem so. Its a shame really because who are you. nobody.
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Aningan: If Planescape:Torment was done today it would have T&A. Just saying. ;)
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BrianX: You are probably correct.

HOWEVER, do you think it would have been done tastefully or over the top?
That's rather subjective. And unfortunately, for you at least, the majority does not agree with you on what over the top means. You find The Witcher 1&2 as being over the top. I do not. Especially after reading the books. Don't get me wrong. I like "regular" fantasy writings. I loved the R.A. Salvatore books for example, but the genre cannot go just that way. You need something different, be it The Witcher or something else. It would be very sad if all fantasy would be done the same way. Lord or the Rings Clone 1, Clone 2, etc. And it goes for other genre also. You need diversity, you need something totally different even. Creativity is good. Even if it's not something you like.

And that's the problem. You don't like it. Ok. You need to find something else. The profanity, the roughness of how it's done, it's all part of the setting. Take it away, do it more "tastefully" and you get something else, no longer Sapkowski's Witcher. What you want is another game.
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takezodunmer2005: Also you can hear it in Czechoslovakian, Russian, Italian, German, and American, though it would've been better if they included English, and Finnish! ;^) (The enhanced edition that is..)
I'd just like to point out that there is no such thing as Czechoslovakian, as Czech and Slovak are two separate, though fairly similar, languages. And that Czechoslovakia hasn't existed since 1993.

Carry on.
Post edited May 19, 2011 by bazilisek
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takezodunmer2005: Also you can hear it in Czechoslovakian, Russian, Italian, German, and American, though it would've been better if they included English, and Finnish! ;^) (The enhanced edition that is..)
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bazilisek: I'd just like to point out that there is no such thing as Czechoslovakian, as Czech and Slovak are two separate, though fairly similar, languages. And that Czechoslovakia hasn't existed since 1993.

Carry on.
And since when is "American" a language? Last I checked, our national language was English. You might go so far as to call it a dialect of the "original" English, but it's still English.
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BrianX: Yes, I am a repressed America because I like good taste. Sounds like you ate a delicious terd for you to get all bent out of shape over my comment, I guess I ruined your fun by pointing out in a very detailed way that W1's use of sex scenes and profanity was needlessly tacked on and jarring. I AM SO REPRESSED!
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cogadh: Taste is subjective. What is good taste to you is not necessarily good taste to anyone else. If it hasn't already been made clear to you by some of the responses you have received here, your taste is not what most of us would consider "good"; maybe "old-fashioned" or "restrictive", perhaps even "puritanical", but definitely not "good".

Frankly, you are repressed if you are offended by the content in the Witcher (sex scenes? please, I've seen worse stuff in music videos on MTV 20 years ago). Let me explain something to you that you seem to be unaware of: people swear in real life... all the time, people have sex in real life... all the time, people get naked in real life... all the time. Being offended by content that is simply a natural part of being human is the definition of repressed. You don't like what the Witcher has to offer, then why did you even buy it, knowing full well what its rating meant for the content in the game?

BTW - Nice job side-stepping my whole point and focusing on one minor factor of that point, very trollish of you.
Yeesh, people throw out the word 'Troll' all the time now...

So, using your logic, I would be 'repressed' if I was offended at someone putting a baby in a microwave or 'repressed' if I was offended at someone raping a woman? Granted those are crazy scenarios, but guess what, they have actually happened. I understand reality, but when you talk about having 'reality' in a VIDEO-GAME, that is when you lose me!

Breaking news: Video-games are NOT real life, no matter how close they try to get. Just because you throw in some useless sex scenes and profanity does not make it more like 'reality.' In fact, it can RUIN the immersion factor if used poorly. Again, I AGREE with you that it comes down to taste, but surely there are STANDARDS for taste and for poor taste. You can't say that all food is good, because some foods will kill you. All uses of nudity and bad language are not good, because it all depends on context.

And I don't know about you, but I don't remember Sting having a sex encounter with a witch back in the 80s. Yeah, I agree that MTV and other media venues go too far, but I don't remember seeing videos in the 80s on MTV that had full nudity (unless they were 'special' videos that came on after midnight like that one Prodigy video).

Anyways, I am not sure you have good taste. How do you even KNOW you have good taste? How do you gauge it yourself? In my opinion I thought they could have designed those Adult elements much better and maybe in the future there will be options for the user to tone those things down without having to download a MOD. Toning it down doesn't mean that the rest of the higher-quality material is obliterated, not at all, I think W1 had a fantastic setting, characters, etc, etc.

But you are right, no matter how much I make an argument that W1 used its more adult themes poorly and in bad taste, it will come down to the individual to really decide if it matches their tastes or not. I'm just sad because, in my opinion, I see an awesome plate of baby back ribs with a small duck turd on top and I can't remove the turd :(
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DelusionsBeta: Not going to happen. Even the censored North American release of the first game got an M, to get down to T would probably require removing all of the swearing, sex and gore in the game. Which would essentually involve remaking the game from scratch.
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nondeplumage: And calling it Wii Mario.
Please, for the love of Crom don't mention Wii again please,it's the worse type of foul language around here! x^D
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takezodunmer2005: Please, for the love of Crom don't mention Wii again please,it's the worse type of foul language around here! x^D
Batman: The Brave and the Bold and the new Donkey Kong game and the Wii Mario games are awesome.
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BrianX: Good point. I liked the Conan books better than the Lord of the Rings, because it was grittier and more violent (although LoTR is AWESOME). I can like it all now, but there are certain things that don't cater to my taste and I have to be more aware of that. It's not CDProjekt's fault at all, they jumped through all the censortastic hoops to make the kind of adult game they wanted to based on the books.


Geez Boss, sensitive much? Come on. You really can't be serious in your claim that I need a lot of growing up to do when you call me a 'silly f*ckin idiot.' Pot calling the kettle black and all that...

I replied to you in the way you deserved because your attitude was abrasive and rude. I know you are angry and upset that I ruined the game for you, but I have a solution for you:

Grow up.
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bossonova: You still have not got to the point. i know your very angry because the context may have threw you off. Troll much? your only saying that the witcher should have been toned down to your standards for everyone to not enjoy. thats it. but what may be good for you is not good for everyone, but you obviously think to seem so. Its a shame really because who are you. nobody.
Oh come on Boss, everyone is someone including you; stop being mad. I'm actually not sure of what your point was. I think your point was that sex and profanity are not useless, etc.

I know I was exaggerating a bit much when I said useless, but, in my opinion, the sex scenes and profanity just didn't fit the fantasy setting to me. Maybe because I was raised on more Lord of the Rings, etc, but I used to read the Conan series and felt they were gritty and raw and I thought that the Witcher 1 would be in the same vein. It was jarring and pulled me out of the immersive quality of the game whenever someone cursed like a drunken sailor, especially when Geralt said "Abso-f*****-lutely," I nearly died with laughter when he said that. However I am not so sure the designers wanted people to laugh at that point.

But really, how was the sex and profanity useful? For some, like you I suppose, it enhanced the gritty feeling of the setting, but for me, it really did not add anything because, in my opinion, it was poorly placed. Just because you throw in an 'F' bomb here and there doesn't mean its great writing! Imagine Clint Eastwood at the end of High Plains Drifter yelling 'F*ck yeah," that would be ridiculous and, to me, out of character.

So maybe Geralt is a profanity spewing man-whore, yeah, I guess I chose the product wrong then according to my tastes. But I have no desire to stop other people from enjoying. GAME ON!

And I am no troll, I am a gnome halfling rogue with an eye-patch.
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BrianX: But I have to disagree with you Mental, I think that if they would have toned down the Witcher 1's profanity, and made less ado about the sex scenes, it wouldn't have ruined the experience.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that going back after the fact and deleting certain content is not the same as retroactively doing a better job on that content.
Post edited May 19, 2011 by Mentalepsy