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SirPrimalform: 8 bad, 7 good, Vista bad, XP good, 2000/ME bad, 98SE good, 98 bad, 95 good. So... hopefully Windows 9 won't break the sequence.
WTF dude? 2k was bad?! Windows XP was a fucking nightmare when it came out and until SP2, when they activated the firewall by default, it was a malware magnet.

Go back to the articles of that time and read the horrors.

Windows 95 wasn't "good" until OSR2 (also known as windows 95B) was pushed through with the help of the hardware partners. It was never directly sold to end users by MS.
Post edited January 13, 2014 by silviucc
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SirPrimalform: Exactly! :P

8 bad, 7 good, Vista bad, XP good, 2000/ME bad, 98SE good, 98 bad, 95 good. So... hopefully Windows 9 won't break the sequence.

There are rumours that the Start menu will return, which is great.

I didn't know about the suspend thing.
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Elmofongo: I thought it was the other way around that 95 was bad, but 98 was good.
The 98 that everyone remembers as being good was 98SE though. There's a reason they released a second edition less than a year later.

As I understand/remember, 98 had problems, hence 98SE which fixed a lot of them. 95 was good at the time, but 98 was definitely better (at least the SE was).
I'm sick of Microsoft constantly putting pressure on us to be their guinea pigs for new garbage operating systems. If they keep this up, I'm going to turn to consoles
Post edited January 13, 2014 by monkeydelarge
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monkeydelarge: I'm sick of Microsoft constantly putting pressure on us to be their guinea pigs for new garbage operating systems. If they keep this up, I'm going to turn to consoles.
Your gonna miss out on Star Citizen, One Late Night: Deadline, and I nfected:

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/about-the-game

http://deadline.onelatenight.com/

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=102324622&searchtext=I+nfected
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SirPrimalform: 8 bad, 7 good, Vista bad, XP good, 2000/ME bad, 98SE good, 98 bad, 95 good. So... hopefully Windows 9 won't break the sequence.
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silviucc: WTF dude? 2k was bad?! Windows XP was a fucking nightmare when it came out and until SP2, when they activated the firewall by default, it was a malware magnet.

Go back to the articles of that time and read the horrors.

Windows 95 wasn't "good" until OSR2 (also known as windows 95B) was pushed through with the help of the hardware partners. It was never directly sold to end users by MS.
Well I suppose Windows 2000 was never a home OS so it's excused anyway. The 'home' version of Windows prior to XP was ME. :D

What are you comparing 95 to though? Sure it was bad compared to later 'good' editions of Windows but it was a massive upgrade from 3.1x.

EDIT: I should probably say, I wasn't meaning to start a serious discussion of the merits of different historical versions of windows, but rather trying to construct a jokey theory based on the Star Trek odd/even thing.
Post edited January 13, 2014 by SirPrimalform
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SirPrimalform: Exactly! :P

8 bad, 7 good, Vista bad, XP good, 2000/ME bad, 98SE good, 98 bad, 95 good. So... hopefully Windows 9 won't break the sequence.


There are rumours that the Start menu will return, which is great.

I didn't know about the suspend thing.
Windows 2000 was actually pretty good compared to NT4 but XP came along pretty quickly. Also it was aimed for business customers only.
On the other hand I'm quite happy with Windows 7...
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SirPrimalform: Well I suppose Windows 2000 was never a home OS so it's excused anyway. The 'home' version of Windows prior to XP was ME. :D

What are you comparing 95 to though? Sure it was bad compared to later 'good' editions of Windows but it was a massive upgrade from 3.1x.

EDIT: I should probably say, I wasn't meaning to start a serious discussion of the merits of different historical versions of windows, but rather trying to construct a jokey theory based on the Star Trek odd/even thing.
Yeah... it was not *that* massive. Most of the games that came out in that time were still running in DOS and Windows acted like a shell, very much like Win 3.x before it.

It came with the promise with plug & play but all it managed to do was coin the expression "plug and pray" because that was where things were at the time.

It was a cheap imitation of MacOS. A knock-off with much hype and marketing behind it.It also benefited from the fact that MS was willing to license it to any HW builder of IBM PC clones where Apple kept MacOS to themselves.

The mystification of the MS one good, one bad cycle is just that, a mystification. The NT versions of Windows were generally good, proper operating systems, the "consumer" ones like 95, 98 and Me were utter crap.
Post edited January 13, 2014 by silviucc
Windows 9 in 2015.. WTF they should have released a fixed (optional MetroUI) 8.2 now!
Enough of these new releases, give us a good single configurable OS again with service packs!

Win7 is the best right now, but it doesn't support 4K native drives (not the current emulated), so it could become obsolete soon.. :(

P.S: the odd\even version thing is an old funny comment, but.. enough of that please. Also, Xp was quite bad until SP2\3, expecially the crappy home version.
Post edited January 13, 2014 by phaolo
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SirPrimalform: Well I suppose Windows 2000 was never a home OS so it's excused anyway. The 'home' version of Windows prior to XP was ME. :D

What are you comparing 95 to though? Sure it was bad compared to later 'good' editions of Windows but it was a massive upgrade from 3.1x.

EDIT: I should probably say, I wasn't meaning to start a serious discussion of the merits of different historical versions of windows, but rather trying to construct a jokey theory based on the Star Trek odd/even thing.
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silviucc: Yeah... it was not *that* massive. Most of the games that came out in that time were still running in DOS and Windows acted like a shell, very much like Win 3.x before it.

It came with the promise with plug & play but all it managed to do was coin the expression "plug and pray" because that was where things were at the time.

It was a cheap imitation of MacOS. A knock-off with much hype and marketing behind it.It also benefited from the fact that MS was willing to license it to any HW builder of IBM PC clones where Apple kept MacOS to themselves.

The mystification of the MS one good, one bad cycle is just that, a mystification. The NT versions of Windows were generally good, proper operating systems, the "consumer" ones like 95, 98 and Me were utter crap.
Well that's because Windows NT was an actual OS. Arguably, with Windows 9x DOS was still the operating system with, as you said, Windows acting as a shell. However by the time we got 95 (probably 97 or so, I was young so I don't remember very well) Windows 9x exclusive games were common (our computer came with POD to show off the Pentium MMX).

I wasn't talking solely about games anyway, sure in 1995 most of the games were still DOS but that doesn't mean that 95 wasn't a big upgrade over 3.1x in general areas.

Anyway, as I said: I was mostly joking.
I had a truckton of issues with 7. 8 has actually been fine so far. I haven't downloaded 8.1 out of compatibility fear though. Through biggest issue is that Guild Wars 2 refuses to run.

I'm with the just make a stable platform people. Hopping around over and over is just too much.
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jamyskis: So like Star Trek movies then? ;-)
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SirPrimalform: Exactly! :P

8 bad, 7 good, Vista bad, XP good, 2000/ME bad, 98SE good, 98 bad, 95 good. So... hopefully Windows 9 won't break the sequence.
2000 was actually superior to XP on some machines. For example, on my old Compaq, it had about 512MB of ram, XP was slow, but 2000 was fast. Lots of games were compatible with it as well. I would say its like a version of XP with less eye candy (it was designed for servers) and slightly less features. If you have the RAM and CPU power XP is better though.
I don't see the point in a new OS Windows 7 is the most perfect and beautiful OS they can't improve the only thing they could do is making a better update system. Other then that it's impossible to improve past windows 7 in my option there's like nothing wrong with windows 7 not a single problem with it at all so I can't see how this is going to be better.
I mean really how? How are they going to drive themselves past the perfection that is Windows 7?
I can't see that as really being too possible unless they do something insanely major but not stupid like 8
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jamyskis: It all depends on how Microsoft approaches the Metro problem. Metro is itself an attractive interface, but it is also highly impractical outside of a tablet environment. Hopefully MS will see sense and enable users to choose from a streamlined Start Menu à la Win7 and the Metro interface (a feature that would be especially useful for convertible hybrid tablet/laptops like the Surface Pro), but given how aggressively they're pushing Metro, I wouldn't bet on it.
You know what's worse than Metro on a desktop? Metro on a server! The stupid bastards actually put Metro in Windows Server 2012 (which I guess is basically the server version of Windows 8). It is not pleasant to work with, let me tell you.
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Shark4675: I don't see the point in a new OS Windows 7 is the most perfect and beautiful OS they can't improve the only thing they could do is making a better update system. Other then that it's impossible to improve past windows 7 in my option there's like nothing wrong with windows 7 not a single problem with it at all so I can't see how this is going to be better.
I mean really how? How are they going to drive themselves past the perfection that is Windows 7?
I can't see that as really being too possible unless they do something insanely major but not stupid like 8
Win7 is far from perfect. It's simply the 'least worst' OS that Microsoft has chucked out until now. People were saying the same about XP back in the day, and they thought that Microsoft couldn't do any better.

Microsoft is at its best and most innovative when it sees its market share threatened. It's the reason why every other OS from them sucks. They bring out a decent system, then take the goodwill they've gathered for granted by releasing a substandard one at full price.

I actually only use Windows 7 for gaming - I dual-boot with an Ubuntu 13.10 system that really is solid as a rock and has never locked up or crashed on me in two years (for obvious reasons, it wasn't always 13.10, but 12.04, 12.10 and 13.04 before it never crashed either).
Post edited January 15, 2014 by jamyskis
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Shark4675: I don't see the point in a new OS Windows 7 is the most perfect and beautiful OS they can't improve the only thing they could do is making a better update system. Other then that it's impossible to improve past windows 7 in my option there's like nothing wrong with windows 7 not a single problem with it at all so I can't see how this is going to be better.
I mean really how? How are they going to drive themselves past the perfection that is Windows 7?
I can't see that as really being too possible unless they do something insanely major but not stupid like 8
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jamyskis: Win7 is far from perfect. It's simply the 'least worst' OS that Microsoft has chucked out until now. People were saying the same about XP back in the day, and they thought that Microsoft couldn't do any better.

Microsoft is at its best and most innovative when it sees its market share threatened. It's the reason why every other OS from them sucks. They bring out a decent system, then take the goodwill they've gathered for granted by releasing a substandard one at full price.

I actually only use Windows 7 for gaming - I dual-boot with an Ubuntu 13.10 system that really is solid as a rock and has never locked up or crashed on me in two years (for obvious reasons, it wasn't always 13.10, but 12.04, 12.10 and 13.04 before it never crashed either).
Well I don't see windows 7 as all that bad at all it's pretty solid but it really deepens on the computer My Mom's compaq presario cq57-339wm runs like crap in windows 7 64 bit even after doing a lot of fixes. but mine is an HP Elite Book 6930p And it runs amazingly not the best for gaming but everything else runs amazing.
My Only Complaint is the boot up time but other then that as long as you know each and every work around *or use Google* The OS runs awesomely on just about any computer.
I really can't complain I mean it's pricey as heck to buy the OS but worth it.
All around the OS Is amazing it's fast it's simple and I can't say much else.
The only reason I want to try out Linux is Price since I'm planning on getting a Gaming Computer soon.