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Posted December 05, 2012
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wodmarach: Nah I do actually admit to faults in it the interface does cause a little disconnect at first it's easy to adjust to though as long as your willing to give it a go
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How is it a matter of opinion? Does it do everything the highly adored 7 does? yes does it have some extra features? yes does it have some bad points? yes do the good outweigh the bad? yes, therefore OS is decent
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What do you actually use it for? Is it to load say the same 10 programs every time? if yes pin them to the taskbar its a single click then! Is it to find a program? you'll flash to metro for maybe 5 seconds to do the same thing sure you'll have a flash of colour but it's not that bad
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Why are you using desktop shortcuts if it's something you use a lot? pin it man!
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Hell no it wasn't it was a HUGE goddamn change much huger than TIFKM is. "What the hell is this crap wheres my menus?" "why do I have all this empty space I want my programs where I can see them!" starting to sound familiar?
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the full screen happily allows livetiles which are readable I tend to only flick to it to look at the live tiles (mail for example) and see the updates
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No it's not a sucky interface for desktops honestly I sometimes wonder why people say this everytime maybe because it looks so hugely different, it's really no big change to what your used to and actually simplifies some of the things most people use it for
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Show me whats wrong with it in reality not in FUD land. One brief list of all it's faults that doesn't include:
It's unusable on desktop!

That is the ONLY reason most people say, they bitch and moan that it's completely unusable while not telling us why.
Yes, but you usually play up the "Improvements" while downplaying the downsides. Also I shouldn't have to "adjust" to be able to use Win8.
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Again. it's a matter of subjective opinion if Win8 is a "decent" OS(What is decent about something to one person can be considered less than ideal by another.)....it's like saying a model of car/truck/etc is decent because it has features you like/think are good.
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For frequently used programs I use icons on the desktop, and I use the start menu for less used programs and also stuff like searching for files/calling up control panel features/etc. I don't want to clutter the desktop so I don't put everything there and I don't want to clutter the taskbar either so I don't pin them there.

As such, I use the start menu(replaced by the UI in Win8) and I don't want to block the entire screen(even for 5 seconds) to access the new UI and do something there. As I said before, it wouldn't even be an issue if MS had implemented the idea better(maybe made the new UI, when open, take up 25% of the screen or so), but they didn't.
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I do it that way because i'd rather the icons be on the main part of the screen than cluttering the taskbar(Which I reserve for a few quick launch icons/running app-internet-etc icons/etc.).
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I meant that MS made wiser design choices(imo) when moving from 3.1 to 95 than when they designed Win8's new UI/etc.
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You don't think it is, and that's fine....that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. It doesn't mean that it's fact, though, or that Win8's current design isn't crap on desktops/that Win8's UI implementation was the right way to go.

And you still wonder why people like me/others feel as we do? Really? Many have stated(here and elsewhere online) constructively why they think Win8's UI is less than ideal for desktops.

And saying it isn't a big change and that it simplifies things is also opinion. For some it could very well make things harder/less intuitive & be a bigger change than you think.
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I already did, as did others before me. And then you(usually) downplay/toss our reasoning aside before asking the same questions all over again. You don't hold the same view as me? Fine. But don't act like/word your replies like i'm factually wrong just because you might think I am.
Post edited December 05, 2012 by GameRager
Posted December 05, 2012
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GameRager: Yes but the Win95 desktop was easier to use/get used to than this new interface is(imho\
Are you for real?

Here, go educate yourself: http://vimeo.com/52173464
Post edited December 05, 2012 by Elenarie
Posted December 05, 2012
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wodmarach: do the good outweigh the bad? yes, therefore OS is decent
Anytime you use the words good or bad, it's an opinion. There are no hard facts on morality terms such as those. What is good for the sheep is bad for the wolf, etc.

I'm sure the OS is decent overall, despite some negative drawbacks. But I personally don't see any need to upgrade from Win7. It provides exactly zero benefit for a user like me, while at the same time providing a few drawbacks. So in my case, the bad outweigh the good, hence why it's an opinion. I'm not alone in this line of thinking. Everyone I know personally, as well as the friends I have that work with computers in some capacity, feel exactly the same way (and so do their businesses, which have thus far expressed no desire to upgrade). It feels very much like an unnecessary OS, that was created 'just because' and not because it actually fills a needed role or caters to users' desires on the desktop platform.

Like I said, I'm sure the OS is decent, but decent is as far as I'd go with it. It doesn't appear to be anything special at all, but perhaps it'll be a stumbling block on to something greater. (Or, maybe it won't.)

Edit: Since it's not a free upgrade, I just don't see any reason for most users to spend money on it when they have perfectly good Win7 licenses. That's part of the issue with Win8 in my opinion, is that for many people, it doesn't appeal quite enough to pay for an upgrade over 7. Some of you have pointed out that it can be configured to provide essentially the same experience as 7 provides. That's great - but then, why switch?
Post edited December 05, 2012 by Qwertyman
Posted December 05, 2012
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GameRager: Yes but the Win95 desktop was easier to use/get used to than this new interface is(imho\
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Elenarie: Are you for real?

Here, go educate yourself: http://vimeo.com/52173464
Yes(Btw I didn't say it was fact but rather my opinion......obviously ours differ to some degree.).....also could you tune the feigned shock down a bit? Thanks.

(Why do people keep asking me if what I said is honestly my opinion when they don't agree with it?)
Post edited December 05, 2012 by GameRager
Posted December 05, 2012
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GameRager: Yes but the Win95 desktop was easier to use/get used to than this new interface is(imho\
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Elenarie: Are you for real?

Here, go educate yourself: http://vimeo.com/52173464
I skimmed through that video, some interesting (and funny) stuff in it. I'd be curious to check out more if it but it's loading incredibly slow for me so I'll try again later.
Posted December 05, 2012
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Qwertyman: ...
+1.......Win7 works fine for me as well, and upgrading to Win8 seems unnecessary(It includes nothing new I need/want.) while coming with several drawbacks.
Posted December 05, 2012
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GameRager: I already did, as did others before me. And then you(usually) downplay/toss our reasoning aside before asking the same questions all over again. You don't hold the same view as me? Fine. But don't act like/word your replies like i'm factually wrong just because you might think I am.
Bull shit no honestly BULLSHIT, your entire arguments fall back on "It's not what I'm used to therefore ITS BAD" thats all you ever freaking say! "I have to go to a full screen to do what the start menu does"which comes across as waaaaah it's not what I'm used to!!! "I don't want to clutter my desktop more" then talk about how you already clutter it! You use the start menu to search for files etc guess what that's all still there works exactly the same as it always did.

You know what I didn't start as a windows 8 advocate but I can't stand the blatent FUD being spread by idiots like KingofGnG and his ilk. When I see the FUD I reply and explain WHY THE FUCK IT'S FUD. A good percentage of the people complaining about 8 haven't even tried it they just assume it's rubbish because it's different. And they all fall back on the exact same excuses we saw 20 freaking years ago!
Posted December 05, 2012
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wodmarach: Bull shit no honestly BULLSHIT, your entire arguments fall back on "It's not what I'm used to therefore ITS BAD" thats all you ever freaking say! "I have to go to a full screen to do what the start menu does"which comes across as waaaaah it's not what I'm used to!!! "I don't want to clutter my desktop more" then talk about how you already clutter it! You use the start menu to search for files etc guess what that's all still there works exactly the same as it always did.
People don't like change bro. Especially when it comes with caveats like dipping a toe into closed system territory and upgrading for no reason because Win7 is awesome and stable.

I'm not a Win8 hater, more a Win8 don't-see-the-point-er, but humans fearing change isn't something we can solve on internet forums.
Posted December 05, 2012
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wodmarach: Bull shit no honestly BULLSHIT, your entire arguments fall back on "It's not what I'm used to therefore ITS BAD" that's all you ever freaking say!
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"I have to go to a full screen to do what the start menu does"which comes across as waaaaah it's not what I'm used to!!!
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"I don't want to clutter my desktop more" then talk about how you already clutter it!
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You use the start menu to search for files etc guess what that's all still there works exactly the same as it always did.
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You know what I didn't start as a windows 8 advocate but I can't stand the blatent FUD being spread by idiots like KingofGnG and his ilk.

When I see the FUD I reply and explain WHY THE FUCK IT'S FUD.
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A good percentage of the people complaining about 8 haven't even tried it they just assume it's rubbish because it's different. And they all fall back on the exact same excuses we saw 20 freaking years ago!
No my arguments fall back on the fact that the metro UI isn't my cup of tea, and(imo) is implemented horribly on desktop/laptop PCs.
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I don't like blocking the rest of the screen(And interrupting whatever i'm viewing atm.) just to use the functions the UI provides. I said this earlier, as I recall. Also why should I have to get used to/like it? Because you think I should/ that i'm being immature about it?
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I actually keep it neat and orderly(Compared to how it'd look[imo] if I pinned everything to the taskbar.), and it works for what I need it to do....so why change it?
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Not exactly......one OS uses a start menu and one uses a full screen UI with ugly colored squares.
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To you....you explain why it's FUD TO YOU.
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Tell yourself whatever you have to to keep your delusions going, then.

(Honestly, I tried explaining myself in a civil manner but if you're just going to act beligerant and toss aside everything I say as FUD then f**k it.)
Post edited December 05, 2012 by GameRager
Posted December 05, 2012
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wodmarach: The interface formally known as Metro is no different than the change to desktops in win95. Do you remember that far back or are you <censors self here>. When win95 came out people released detailed step by steps in magazines showing you how to load up the 3.1 interface, it was such a radical change they had to put the words "click here to start" and a little arrow to show people how to load a program!
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SimonG: That is the general feeling I have. Win 8 is getting the same flak (sometime literally the same arguments) as Win 95 was getting.
Hopefully it's not as buggy as Win 95. Heck, is anything as buggy as Win 95 was?

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Posted December 05, 2012
im getting tired of all the hoo-ha every time a new version of windows is released, windows hasbeen the same since 95 for crying out loud, win 8 isnt much of an exception - its just a full screen start menu that updates all ur emails and social networking etc in 1 place and made it touch screen friendly to get into the touch screen market. took me about 3 minutes to figure it out otherwise its the same as every other version of windows. people just go mad over abit of change.
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