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Posted December 04, 2012
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Wishbone: On the other hand, I understand it's quite crappy for multitasking. Reviews like this one really gives me the impression that for my line of work (I'm a software developer) it would be a nightmare to work with.
Well one word : Launchy :)

It was a productivity booster on Windows 7 it works as well on Windows 8, I barely ever see the Metro/Modern/whatever screen at all.

More seriously, I hate what they did with the Metro part, I like the Metro "idea" but W8's Metro implementation is mostly awful, there are tons of stupid things, like the artificial separating between the two environment and plenty of awkward stuffs like the settings splits between Metro and the Desktop, etc...

That said, if you are "productive" on Windows 7, as in have a tons of custom tools installed to compensate for windows weaknesses like Launchy, Terracopy, DOpus or TotalCommander, PSPad or Notepad++, etc..., then you will be as productive on Windows 8 using the same tools.
Post edited December 04, 2012 by Gersen
Posted December 04, 2012
I really can't believe that they are loading windows 8 on new computers at retail, does anyone know if they restored the start button?
Posted December 04, 2012
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SDWeimer: I really can't believe that they are loading windows 8 on new computers at retail, does anyone know if they restored the start button?
No it's not there but there are some third party tools that allows to put back an "equivalent".
Posted December 04, 2012
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wodmarach: It's actually a little better for business than 7 is.. Included out of the box are a semi decent AV, ghosting, easier set up and the ability for users to move their settings between devices. In effect you can roll back any machine quickly and easily, the users aren't limited to a single machine (nice for those companies thinking of going deskless) etc etc
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Wishbone: On the other hand, I understand it's quite crappy for multitasking. Reviews like this one really gives me the impression that for my line of work (I'm a software developer) it would be a nightmare to work with.
That article is so full of FUD it hurts. It's fine for software deving! They only talked about WinRT apps here and even them they're bending the truth about (I'll not call them on some of the flat out lies) they ignored that the desktop is almost identical to 7 but with some nice upgrades (individual taskbars for each screen etc etc).
Posted December 05, 2012
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SDWeimer: I really can't believe that they are loading windows 8 on new computers at retail, does anyone know if they restored the start button?
They don't necessarily have a choice. I remember reading yesterday from e.g. the ASUS forum an ASUS representative practically saying that OEMs (like them) are not receiving Win7 anymore from Microsoft but Win8, and if you still want a Win7 PC, buy it _now_ (from them).

That's actually a reason I decided to buy my G75 in late August, just to make sure I get Win7 instead of Win8. Just in case I don't like Win8. At the same time though, I did grap the MS offer for a 15€ Win8 Pro upgrade too, so now I have the choice myself go either way. Currently I'm actually using both in the same PC, side by side. Now I am actually starting to wish that my laptop had a touch screen for the Win8, like some new x86 laptops already do (I saw e.g. Acer selling one for like 799€ I think).

I guess you can still try to "downgrade" your Win8 preloaded machine with Win7 afterwards yourself, but for some reason at least many ASUS G55/G75 owners in the forums seem to have issues doing that, I don't know why (maybe something related to UEFI). And the ASUS technical FAQ even goes to claim you can't do that (but I presume "can't" means that ASUS doesn't support such practise, but expect you to use Win8 if it came preloaded with your ASUS PC).
Post edited December 05, 2012 by timppu
Posted December 05, 2012
While it does seem like people aren't very enthusiastic about Win 8 on desktops/laptops, I think PC sales are down mainly due to the simple notion that people are oversaturated with technology right now.

Computers, tablets, smartphones, etc.

Not as many people other than high-end/gaming enthusiasts or businesses seem to be in need of computer upgrades. Having a system built in the last 2 years or so should still be good enough for most tasks.
Posted December 05, 2012
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mondo84: While it does seem like people aren't very enthusiastic about Win 8 on desktops/laptops, I think PC sales are down mainly due to the simple notion that people are oversaturated with technology right now.

Computers, tablets, smartphones, etc.
I agree. Maybe already the last two Christmas, whenever some parent has decided to buy his kid a tablet instead of a laptop, it is away from the PC sales. As simple as that. Same way like I was thinking whether I buy my gf a cheapo notebook or a tablet for a present.. well, I went with the tablet (ASUS Transformer with a keyboard), partly also because I was interested to try it out myself. Later though, I kinda felt maybe I should have bought her a notebook for the price... :)

It didn't even occur to me that I would buy both (a tablet and a notebook) to her, it was either or.
Post edited December 05, 2012 by timppu
Posted December 05, 2012
Windows 8 users can't count to three. I know it.
Posted December 05, 2012
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KingofGnG: Windows 8 users can't count to three. I know it.
One, two, three, now shut up you asshole. You've insulted anybody that actually uses it every chance you get and never given a valid reason as to WHY it's so bad that it's users must be idiots.

Win 8 is a decent OS, as fast or faster than 7 for most tasks, less crashes, more useful features without having to buy crappy tools from outside the OS. Hell even the app store has it's uses if you ever actually bother with it (I used it purely to grab solitaire etc). Nothing has really changed from 7 enough to cause all this bile and hatred people like you seem to be spewing!

Is the new interface a radical departure? No not really you'll spend maybe 15 seconds a day using it exactly like you did the start menu on 7 (windows key,type name wanted, hit return or click file) and that's it the only time you see the interface. Got a program you use often well shucks you pin it to the taskbar the same way as in 7 or if your REALLY oldschool you put a shortcut on your desktop.

The interface formally known as Metro is no different than the change to desktops in win95. Do you remember that far back or are you <censors self here>. When win95 came out people released detailed step by steps in magazines showing you how to load up the 3.1 interface, it was such a radical change they had to put the words "click here to start" and a little arrow to show people how to load a program!

"but its an interface for tablets!" you cry, well no no it's not. It is an interface that takes into account the move to widescreen however, in ye olden days of win95 when screens were effectively square it was perfectly fine to go vertical you had plenty of room people could see lots of shiny programs then it happened the move to widescreen... Suddenly monitors were half as tall as they used to be (before widescreen 1024 was a pretty common vertical res even on laptops now you have to hunt for 1080) however they are almost twice as wide as they were. The new interface makes use of that extra real-estate that's all. The hidden start button? no real change there most people likely overshot before anyway so the mouse movement is no different, the charms menu is functional in it's own way, after that there's no real changes...

So tell me WHATS ACTUALLY WRONG WITH IT?
Posted December 05, 2012
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KingofGnG: Windows 8 users can't count to three. I know it.
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wodmarach: One, two, three, now shut up you asshole.
Okay, that made me laugh hard. :D

But I think you are right that probably some of the backlash is excessive. I haven't used Win 8 myself, but from watching videos and reading some articles, it doesn't seem like the Metro screen is all that bad.

A lot of criticism does seem to be aimed at the "closed platform" that people fear Microsoft is moving toward. But I don't know much about that.
Posted December 05, 2012
Nroug7 buys a bag of chips, rumored world end in 2012.
Posted December 05, 2012
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Nroug7: Nroug7 buys a bag of chips, rumored world end in 2012.
What kind of chips?
Posted December 05, 2012
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Nroug7: Nroug7 buys a bag of chips, rumored world end in 2012.
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mondo84: What kind of chips?
Salt & Vinegar potato chips, I can only assume that it means I will be thrown into a volcano by a bunch of angry tribesman.
Post edited December 05, 2012 by Nroug7
Posted December 05, 2012
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wodmarach: One, two, three, now shut up you asshole.
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mondo84: Okay, that made me laugh hard. :D

But I think you are right that probably some of the backlash is excessive. I haven't used Win 8 myself, but from watching videos and reading some articles, it doesn't seem like the Metro screen is all that bad.

A lot of criticism does seem to be aimed at the "closed platform" that people fear Microsoft is moving toward. But I don't know much about that.
The backlash is definitely excessive; Microsoft's actually trying to do something new and progressive with Windows (whether or not it's in the right direction is another matter) and they're sadly getting flack for it. Now it's spilled over into the kind of console fanboy-esque arrogance we've seen from people like KingofGnG.

With all of the outright lies and misinformation being spread around and taken as gospel by so many people, It's kind of ironic that MS, the company which pretty much defined the use of FUD, is having heaps of FUD piled on Windows 8, from its own userbase no less.
Posted December 05, 2012
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wodmarach: One, two, three, now shut up you asshole. You've insulted anybody that actually uses it every chance you get and never given a valid reason as to WHY it's so bad that it's users must be idiots.
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Win 8 is a decent OS, as fast or faster than 7 for most tasks, less crashes, more useful features without having to buy crappy tools from outside the OS. Hell even the app store has it's uses if you ever actually bother with it (I used it purely to grab solitaire etc). Nothing has really changed from 7 enough to cause all this bile and hatred people like you seem to be spewing!
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Is the new interface a radical departure? No not really you'll spend maybe 15 seconds a day using it exactly like you did the start menu on 7 (windows key,type name wanted, hit return or click file) and that's it the only time you see the interface. Got a program you use often well shucks you pin it to the taskbar the same way as in 7 or if your REALLY oldschool you put a shortcut on your desktop.
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The interface formally known as Metro is no different than the change to desktops in win95. Do you remember that far back or are you <censors self here>. When win95 came out people released detailed step by steps in magazines showing you how to load up the 3.1 interface, it was such a radical change they had to put the words "click here to start" and a little arrow to show people how to load a program!
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"but its an interface for tablets!" you cry, well no no it's not. It is an interface that takes into account the move to widescreen however, in ye olden days of win95 when screens were effectively square it was perfectly fine to go vertical you had plenty of room people could see lots of shiny programs then it happened the move to widescreen... Suddenly monitors were half as tall as they used to be (before widescreen 1024 was a pretty common vertical res even on laptops now you have to hunt for 1080) however they are almost twice as wide as they were. The new interface makes use of that extra real-estate that's all. The hidden start button? no real change there most people likely overshot before anyway so the mouse movement is no different, the charms menu is functional in it's own way, after that there's no real changes...
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So tell me WHATS ACTUALLY WRONG WITH IT?
While his comment was a bit harsh I believe your reply was a bit (unneededly) harsh as well.

Also(not trying to troll/incite anything here, but) you seem to do things similar to(though not as rude/harsh as) what King does.......i.e. whenever a thread/post that is even somewhat anti-Win 8 comes up(even those with valid/thought out complaints) you(seemingly) keep brushing them aside like those people's complaints are invalid and Win8 is the best thing since sliced bread.
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Note: Decent OS is an opinion, not fact, and varies depending on who is using it. Also enough has changed in Win8 that some people are disliking/complaining about it, and not all are ranting against it or trying to dislike it for no reason.
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It is for me(and apparently others as well). I use the start menu in Win7 alot more than 15 seconds a day, and I don't think i'd like to have to(or that I should have to) be forced to have a fullscreen window(metro UI) pop up and block the entire desktop every time I want to use the start menu/Metro UI.

BTW, I also make desktop icons/etc for frequently used programs but I don't want to/shouldn't have to clutter them all over my desktop so as to avoid having to use the new metro interface to start a program/perform some other function which I can do now with a few clicks through the start menu(which only takes up <10% of my screen when open[Allowing me to keep viewing whatever is open on the desktop while I do so.]).
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Yes but the Win95 desktop was easier to use/get used to than this new interface is(imho), and it was also better optimized for desktops and not for tablets.

(To be honest, if they'd implemented the changes better I wouldn't even be complaining about/against Win8 that much....i.e. maybe making the metro UI take up 25% of the screen when it's active/etc.)
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It may not OFFICIALLY be for tablets but it's way more optimized/usable on a tablet, thus the comments about it being a tablet interface and a sucky desktop/laptop interface. As I said above, one size does not always fit all, and the way MS implemented metro in the desktop version of Win8 was inane(right term?).
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Many have said what is wrong with it, but you don't seem to agree that anything is wrong with it. This doesn't mean you're right and they are wrong, however.
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