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Posted June 01, 2011
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hercufles: ah thats why it only shows 3.25 gig well not waste of money since i got that extra memory for free since the shop was too lazy to put it out of the pc.
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hedwards: I was pissed about that as well. It wasn't that big of a deal because I run 64bit Linux and FreeBSD alongside my 32bit Windows, but the documentation leaves a lot to be desired. It's something I've noticed about MS, that they can't be arsed to actually make sure the documentation is accurate and useful. Invariably you end up going online for the information that they should have included. Which works fine so long as you aren't trying to fix a NIC problem.

Personally, my new Thinkpad is going to have the 64bit version of Windows 7. I'll have to decide whether or not I want to keep it or return the OS for a refund.
for me i dont have to since i have the 32 and the 64 bit version.
Posted June 01, 2011
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hedwards: Personally, my new Thinkpad is going to have the 64bit version of Windows 7. I'll have to decide whether or not I want to keep it or return the OS for a refund.
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hercufles: for me i dont have to since i have the 32 and the 64 bit version.
The issue is that I can get $50-90 back if I get a refund on it. I'm just really tired of having to give money to MS or choose from inferior hardware products. The other alternative being paying way too much to Apple and I'm not much of a fan of them either.
Posted June 01, 2011
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hercufles: for me i dont have to since i have the 32 and the 64 bit version.
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hedwards: The issue is that I can get $50-90 back if I get a refund on it. I'm just really tired of having to give money to MS or choose from inferior hardware products. The other alternative being paying way too much to Apple and I'm not much of a fan of them either.
So true :) they are greedy enough.
Posted June 01, 2011
and dosbox isnt that a 16 application?
Posted June 01, 2011
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hercufles: and dosbox isnt that a 16 application?
DosBox is a 32-bit application, and I have no doubts it's fully possible to compile the source to a 64-bit binary as well. However, it IS a virtual machine that lets you run 16-bit DOS applicatons in it (and even install Windows 95, with a little bit of work).
Post edited June 01, 2011 by Miaghstir
Posted June 01, 2011
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hercufles: and dosbox isnt that a 16 application?
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Miaghstir: DosBox is a fully 32-bit application. However, it IS a virtual machine that lets you run 16-bit DOS applicattons in int.
so does it work on 64 bit windows? cause i heard 32 bit does work with 64
Posted June 01, 2011
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Miaghstir: DosBox is a fully 32-bit application. However, it IS a virtual machine that lets you run 16-bit DOS applicattons in int.
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hercufles: so does it work on 64 bit windows? cause i heard 32 bit does work with 64
Yeah, 64-bit Windows can run 64 and 32 bit programs. 32-bit Windows can run 32 or 16 bit programs.
Post edited June 01, 2011 by eyeball226
Posted June 01, 2011
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hercufles: and dosbox isnt that a 16 application?
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eyeball226: Definitely not, I use it all the time on W7 64.

DOS programs are 16 bit, but DOSBox isn't.

EDIT: Ninja'd!

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hercufles: so does it work on 64 bit windows? cause i heard 32 bit does work with 64
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eyeball226: Yeah, 64-bit Windows can run 64 and 32 bit programs. 32-bit Windows can run 32 or 16 bit programs.
ah ok so too be short 32 bit programs work with 64 bit but 16 bit isnt but since dosbox is 32 bit it works
Posted June 01, 2011
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eyeball226: Yeah, 64-bit Windows can run 64 and 32 bit programs. 32-bit Windows can run 32 or 16 bit programs.
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hercufles: ah ok so too be short 32 bit programs work with 64 bit but 16 bit isnt but since dosbox is 32 bit it works
Yes. And through DOSBox, you can run old DOS games (those are 16-bit) because it is a translation layer (or virtual machine), which is why such games are available on GOG.
Posted June 01, 2011
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hercufles: ah ok so too be short 32 bit programs work with 64 bit but 16 bit isnt but since dosbox is 32 bit it works
Yup. At the moment, 90%+ of the programs I run are 32-bit even though I use Windows 7 64-bit.

My recording software is 64-bit but apart from that I can't think of anything else.
Posted June 01, 2011
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hercufles: ah ok so too be short 32 bit programs work with 64 bit but 16 bit isnt but since dosbox is 32 bit it works
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eyeball226: Yup. At the moment, 90%+ of the programs I run are 32-bit even though I use Windows 7 64-bit.

My recording software is 64-bit but apart from that I can't think of anything else.
thanks m8 as long i can play gothic, and might and magic and other games i know i can go to 64 bit savely.
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Damnation: The only game I've had issues with on my 64-bit windows 7 install is Desperados (Which works fine on my laptop, which incidentally also runs 64 bit windows 7). So no, there's shouldn't be an issue running GOG games. I haven't checked all game available though, but I doubt there'd be much issue with it being 64 bit ;)
thanks for the reply m8 im glad it isnt a problem.
Post edited June 01, 2011 by hercufles
Posted June 01, 2011
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hedwards: 32bit versions can't reliably handle more than 3GB of RAM. At this point anybody using more than 3GB of RAM would do well to use a 64bit OS. For historical reasons the OS uses portions of the address space for things other than RAM.

Typically that 4GB of RAM will become 3.25GB or something of that nature. Not the worst thing in the world, but it is a waste of money.
It is 4GB of ram or there abouts for a 32bit system. The reason you may see less is because it includes intergrated graphics chip ram and your graphics card.
Posted June 01, 2011
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hedwards: 32bit versions can't reliably handle more than 3GB of RAM. At this point anybody using more than 3GB of RAM would do well to use a 64bit OS. For historical reasons the OS uses portions of the address space for things other than RAM.

Typically that 4GB of RAM will become 3.25GB or something of that nature. Not the worst thing in the world, but it is a waste of money.
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Ralackk: It is 4GB of ram or there abouts for a 32bit system. The reason you may see less is because it includes intergrated graphics chip ram and your graphics card.
Nothing unreliable about it; it's just wasted space.

The problem is, it's hard to configure just 3GB RAM when RAM wants to be installed in pairs. Either you get a motherboard with 4 RAM slots and install 2x1GB and 2x512MB, or you install one 2GB and one 1GB stick. The first way is expensive, and both ways are slow. Slower than installing 2x2GB and letting the unused address space go to waste.

They're slow because in the first case, you can't get DDR2-800 or DDR3 in 512MB sticks, so you have to fall all the way back to DDR2-667; and in the second case, you lose interleaving, cutting your memory bandwidth in half.
Posted June 01, 2011
yeah i did noticed that i had less then 4 gig, i run system labs to see if i can run a game and i did fail in a game on the reckonmanned setting because you needed 4 gig memory even if i got that. So that means you cant play the game on reckomanned setting because yiou need 4 gig to run the game in that setting.
Posted June 01, 2011
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hedwards: 32bit versions can't reliably handle more than 3GB of RAM. At this point anybody using more than 3GB of RAM would do well to use a 64bit OS. For historical reasons the OS uses portions of the address space for things other than RAM.

Typically that 4GB of RAM will become 3.25GB or something of that nature. Not the worst thing in the world, but it is a waste of money.
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Ralackk: It is 4GB of ram or there abouts for a 32bit system. The reason you may see less is because it includes intergrated graphics chip ram and your graphics card.
I'm using a discrete videocard. It's a bloody incompetent mistake if MS is using that memory anyways.
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