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Posted May 02, 2012
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stonebro: I'm confused. Exactly what kind of intellectual property have MS been infringing, and how?
See this.
Posted May 02, 2012
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Tarm: At least Germany seem to help their companies a little bit. Here in Sweden we gladly sell every company and as much of our governments tasks to the highest foreign bidder as we can.
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kavazovangel: Read the other thread.

Oh, and this NOT helping companies or the people working in them. This just left a lot of people unemployed. Microsoft will be moving their base of operations in Europe to The Netherlands.
It doesn't seem to in this instance no. But they are listening to them and that's not a bad thing.

Oh and I am reading the other thread too.
Posted May 02, 2012
To all of you asking questions in here.

Your questions are most likely answered in the other thread if not please ask them in there again.
Posted May 02, 2012
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tfishell: So, do most Europeans spend half their time studying law? :-P
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overread: The only thing on the telly worth watching these days is crime dramas (and most of them are old re-runs of the classics ;) )
(Yay for use of "telly" or "teleset") Fair enough. :) I just can't imagine coming home from work to spend several hours arguing politics online (which it seems many people do) or studying my country's too-many laws filled with lawyeristic lingo. :P Maybe the UK is easier to understand.
Posted May 02, 2012
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overread: The only thing on the telly worth watching these days is crime dramas (and most of them are old re-runs of the classics ;) )
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tfishell: (Yay for use of "telly" or "teleset") Fair enough. :) I just can't imagine coming home from work to spend several hours arguing politics online (which it seems many people do) or studying my country's too-many laws filled with lawyeristic lingo. :P Maybe the UK is easier to understand.
We have over 1000 years of laws some of which as self contradictory but 99% of them are still valid UK law like most euro law is more convoluted than you can possibly imagine...
Posted May 02, 2012
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Titanium: ... Is what usually springs up in my mind when I hear the combination of words "Germany" and "banned".
I'd be more surprised by "not banned in Germany".
Posted May 02, 2012
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Tantrix: Okay...*breathes in*

WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUCK?!

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17924190

THIS ISN'T EVEN NORMAL
Is there anything that Germany doesn't ban ? :p
Posted May 02, 2012
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ne_zavarj: Is there anything that Germany doesn't ban ? :p
Bannings, obviously.
Posted May 02, 2012
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ne_zavarj: Is there anything that Germany doesn't ban ? :p
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Miaghstir: Bannings, obviously.
And censorship . :)
Posted May 02, 2012
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overread: 2) Microsoft and Minorota come to an out of court settlement.
What a truly spectacular typo ;-)
Posted May 02, 2012
It's the same story as between Apple and Samsung, but now germany is envolved and everybody here starts to talk about censorship and other stuff like this. Yes, the whole licensing and patent battles are crazy, but it has nothing to do about censorship. Microsoft uses patents which belongs to Motorola without paying for it the right way. That allows Motorola to forbid further sales of this products, which they won't do because of the following judgements in the states about the misuse of Motorolas market power and the demand for too high charges (funny that this comes from Microsoft btw). Again, this is absolutely crazy and it shows that something went absolutely wrong the last decades and we need to change the whole patent and licensing system.
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Posted May 02, 2012
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DukeNukemForever: It's the same story as between Apple and Samsung, but now germany is envolved and everybody here starts to talk about censorship and other stuff like this. Yes, the whole licensing and patent battles are crazy, but it has nothing to do about censorship. Microsoft uses patents which belongs to Motorola without paying for it the right way. That allows Motorola to forbid further sales of this products, which they won't do because of the following judgements in the states about the misuse of Motorolas market power and the demand for too high charges (funny that this comes from Microsoft btw). Again, this is absolutely crazy and it shows that something went absolutely wrong the last decades and we need to change the whole patent and licensing system.
No, Motorola is demanding exorbitant licensing fees from Microsoft that are well beyond the market standard and Microsoft is fighting it. For once, Microsoft is not the one in the wrong here. Kavazovangel posted this pic in the other thread that explains it very clearly:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-egCdCQfOYgY/T3dLa1LjTrI/AAAAAAAAAX4/mIiryUnYncE/s1600/MMI%2B%2527RAND%2527%2Boffer%2BH.264.png
Posted May 02, 2012
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cogadh: No, Motorola is demanding exorbitant licensing fees from Microsoft that are well beyond the market standard and Microsoft is fighting it. For once, Microsoft is not the one in the wrong here. Kavazovangel posted this pic in the other thread that explains it very clearly:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-egCdCQfOYgY/T3dLa1LjTrI/AAAAAAAAAX4/mIiryUnYncE/s1600/MMI%2B%2527RAND%2527%2Boffer%2BH.264.png
My point about Microsoft was about the misuse of market power, not the high fees. That the fees are too high and Microsoft wants to change that is ok, but as far as I understand from some german articles it's also about Motorolas misuse of market power. Maybe I read that in the wrong way, but still for me it sounds a little bit funny. Btw, it's not only about the video codec, it's also about wlan standards.
Posted May 02, 2012
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overread: 2) Microsoft and Minorota come to an out of court settlement.
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Wishbone: What a truly spectacular typo ;-)
I guess that's what you get when you cross Motorola and Minnesota.
Posted May 02, 2012
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cogadh: No, Motorola is demanding exorbitant licensing fees from Microsoft that are well beyond the market standard and Microsoft is fighting it. For once, Microsoft is not the one in the wrong here. Kavazovangel posted this pic in the other thread that explains it very clearly:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-egCdCQfOYgY/T3dLa1LjTrI/AAAAAAAAAX4/mIiryUnYncE/s1600/MMI%2B%2527RAND%2527%2Boffer%2BH.264.png
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DukeNukemForever: My point about Microsoft was about the misuse of market power, not the high fees. That the fees are too high and Microsoft wants to change that is ok, but as far as I understand from some german articles it's also about Motorolas misuse of market power. Maybe I read that in the wrong way, but still for me it sounds a little bit funny. Btw, it's not only about the video codec, it's also about wlan standards.
And my point is this time you've got it backwards. Microsoft is not trying to change anything or misuse market power, they were actually working within the established laws and standards. Motorola is the one who is trying to change the game and they are misusing the German courts to do so. Regardless of what the entire argument is about, the video codec numbers illustrate the problem quite clearly: Motorola is just being greedy, most likely at the prompting of soon to be owner Google, who has a vested interest in forcing Microsoft to either pay up or switch to Google's own H.264 alternative standard, WebM.
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