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The menu doesn't bother me as much as the extra shortcuts beside it. I have the zoom in/out on there, but with the new version they included the reset to default which is unneeded.
Then there is the favorites/bookmarks thing which I don't want...I want them separate.
Oh and bring back my status bar you asshats.

Too many negatives, heading back to 28.0 immediately.

Also, why is there no visual difference between private window and normal window now. I liked that private windows looked different.
Post edited May 05, 2014 by VABlitz
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Coelocanth: Thanks very much for the reply, but this was all a result of me being stupid (as I surmised). The option is there under Tools->Options->General->When Pale Moon Starts. I just had to select 'Show my windows and tabs from last time'. So simple and really not hard to find. Ye gods, I sometimes wonder about myself. Thanks again for the help though. :)
XD, goes to show that I practically never use the Tools>Options>General tab - I make all my changes from within about:config and put them into the user.js file to make sure they don't get overwritten by any future update, that's a habit I developed when I was still on Firefox and Mozilla moved to the fast-cycle updates; I probably need to loosen up ;-P

If you had followed my method, it would have had the same result as that option in Tools>Options>General tab controls the browser.startup.page setting and vice versa.

But glad you got it working the easy way :-)
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HypersomniacLive: XD, goes to show that I practically never use the Tools>Options>General tab - I make all my changes from within about:config and put them into the user.js file to make sure they don't get overwritten by any future update, that's a habit I developed when I was still on Firefox and Mozilla moved to the fast-cycle updates; I probably need to loosen up ;-P

If you had followed my method, it would have had the same result as that option in Tools>Options>General tab controls the browser.startup.page setting and vice versa.

But glad you got it working the easy way :-)
It's probably a good idea to do it your way, actually. I hate when my settings in any particular application get overwritten by updates.
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JohnnyDollar: JFYI, the ESR version is at 24 and they'll stay with that probably till the end of this year, but you still get security updates. The current one is 24.5
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
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Nicole28: Thanks JohnnyDollar! That was helpful. :)
You're welcome. :) The last time I looked it was looking like the end of this year. The chart on this page shows it a little earlier, like ~Q3. Anyway, you get an idea of what their plan is. You don't have to change versions near as often.
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/faq/
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Coelocanth: Thanks very much for the reply, but this was all a result of me being stupid (as I surmised). The option is there under Tools->Options->General->When Pale Moon Starts. I just had to select 'Show my windows and tabs from last time'. So simple and really not hard to find. Ye gods, I sometimes wonder about myself. Thanks again for the help though. :)
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HypersomniacLive: XD, goes to show that I practically never use the Tools>Options>General tab - I make all my changes from within about:config and put them into the user.js file to make sure they don't get overwritten by any future update, that's a habit I developed when I was still on Firefox and Mozilla moved to the fast-cycle updates; I probably need to loosen up ;-P

If you had followed my method, it would have had the same result as that option in Tools>Options>General tab controls the browser.startup.page setting and vice versa.

But glad you got it working the easy way :-)
Huh, i didn't know that. Then again, i don't really use about;config much since i'm always a bit wary of messing up something.

Always hated that my settings got overwritten with a new update though as it takes me a lot of time to remember what i had them set as. (downside of having a shitty memory :P)
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Barefoot_Monkey: I like it. Of course, my Firefox is customised, but then again customisability is one of the big reasons to use Firefox in the first place, so why worry about the defaults? Here are the addons I'm using:

Blue Firefox Theme
Personal Titlebar
Status-4-Evar
Classic Theme Restorer
Prior to this thread I already use Classic Theme Restorer and Status-4-Evar. Personal Titlebar seems nice, too bad it does not work on Linux yet.
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FoxySage: Huh, i didn't know that. Then again, i don't really use about;config much since i'm always a bit wary of messing up something.

Always hated that my settings got overwritten with a new update though as it takes me a lot of time to remember what i had them set as. (downside of having a shitty memory :P)
The user.js rules (usually only a sub-set of pref.js) overrule those of prefs.js (where your about:config settings are stored), though you have to create the former manually (It's not part of the default profile).

Updates may make changes in prefs.js but if you use a user.js rule-set, then the browser obeys that on every start-up/ restart.


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Coelocanth: It's probably a good idea to do it your way, actually. I hate when my settings in any particular application get overwritten by updates.
Since Pale Moon has diverted from Mozilla's path, there's been a good level of consistency and any potential surprises should be rare and minimum - so far, I've not experienced any bad surprises, even for settings not included in my user.js file.
If you're the kind that fiddles a lot with the settings (especially the hidden ones in about:config) then it's a good idea to maintain a user.js file - saves you the trouble of keeping notes and remembering what changes you've made, and comes in handy if you ever need to set up a fresh profile.
So finally installed the update, and I could live with everything but... who the hell thought that dropping a "bookmarks sidebar button" is a good idea, why I have click now two times instead of one (or use keyboard) or install addons just for that simple thing... guess it bothers me more than it should.
Straw, camel, yada yada.
This is the second time I've come across people recommending Pale Moon (first time on Fark), so I went ahead and installed it prior to even letting Firefox update.
And, damn, I'm glad I did. I restarted FF as part of importing settings to pale moon, and when it restarted it looked .. stupid is a good word.

(Keep in mind I run my firefox to look quite a bit like the old versions before they combined the menu buttons into one big annoying button and took away my lovely toolbars.
Don't care if they take up screen real estate, I like em.

So thanks to all in the thread who recommended Pale Moon. I usually don't even notice who posts what, so I'm not even sure who did it, but thanks to you regardless.
Not particularly care for the new look but what really annoy me is that now I need two click instead of one to open my favorites sidebar.
I'm still using version 19. I have no interest in updating. I'd still be using version12 it hadn't buggered up forcing me to upgrade.
I was reluctant to update Firefox after reading all the backlash, but did so today.

Frankly, I don't see what the big deal is. Actually I don't even see a "small" deal.

For me, Firefox looks exactly the same as before. My custom skin keeps the look that I want. TabMix Plus keeps the tab functionality that I want. My custom icon placements are still where I put them. All-in-one Sidebar still provides the functionality I want from it. Speed Dial is still intact. The only change I notice is that Firefox has finally, finally dropped the useless window title bar.

So, in short it seems that Firefox replaced its previous default UI (that I didn't use) with a new default UI (that I don't use). I honestly don't see why I should care. Why would I use the default UI in a browser whose main selling point is its customizability?
Post edited May 09, 2014 by Psyringe
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Psyringe: So, in short it seems that Firefox replaced its previous default UI (that I didn't use) with a new default UI (that I don't use). I honestly don't see why I should care. Why would I use the default UI in a browser whose main selling point is its customizability?
It's not just the UI. A lot of the customizability previously available was dropped in this version. You're lucky your theme and settings still work.
Post edited May 09, 2014 by mqstout
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Psyringe: So, in short it seems that Firefox replaced its previous default UI (that I didn't use) with a new default UI (that I don't use).
This. But e.g. for new users which use many tabs, the default style is in my opinion suboptimal.

By the way, the TabMixPlus developer is on the read in the USA and hasn't yet time to update to update the extension, but it works. There are some ugly side effects (like e.g. the current tab being curved and overlapping the adjacent ones and the other ones showing only the favicon if you have many). So expect update(s).
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Psyringe: Frankly, I don't see what the big deal is. Actually I don't even see a "small" deal.
Same here, if it wasn't for this thread I would have barely noticed the change. The floating curved tabs with Tabmix plus multi-rows option looks a little weird but functionality wise it had no impact on my usual usage of firefox.