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Splatsch: About Pale Moon, I just wanted to ask : the latest version is based on the latest firefox "source" ? (asking for the safety side)
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DarrkPhoenix: Their release schedule departed from Firefox a while ago, but my understanding is that updates to Gecko (the engine both Firefox and Pale Moon are based on) get rolled in almost immediately, while Firefox specific updates get rolled in based on whether or not they fit with the vision of the project (with bug fixes and security fixes getting rolled in pretty quick). Their latest release was on April 25, and the release notes can be found here (the security related changes all point to bugs reported to Mozilla, so again it seems that security related changes are getting rolled in pretty quick).
Ok. Thank you for the infos . I'll try it tomorrow !
I like the way Firefox looks, now. I'm not tech-savvy in the least, and I like my computer experiences to be as easy and streamlined as can be, so all I can say is that I like this new Firefox. Some may argue it looks like a Chrome rip-off, but that doesn't affect me all that much, since I already liked Chrome to begin with, and it still has enough unique features that make it look different from Chrome, in my book.

It's also a whole lot faster, for me, which is most definitely a plus.
Darn it. I hoped "faster" and "looks like Chrome" would mean that it's as quick as Chrome when it comes to HTML5 stuff now. No change. Oh well.
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F4LL0UT: Darn it. I hoped "faster" and "looks like Chrome" would mean that it's as quick as Chrome when it comes to HTML5 stuff now. No change. Oh well.
Faster as in "faster than it was before", definitely still not as fast as Chrome.
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Liljna: I think one of the reasons some of you don't notice a difference between new and old is that it becomes much more obvious if you have many tabs open.
Fenixp's screens show only a few tabs open. I sit with 100+ tabs open on this group alone with 36 in the visible browser window alone.
The old look had square tabs that make it easy to tell them apart. The new look make them overlap a lot and makes it very hard (to me at least) to tell them apart), they are also much harder to properly hit with the mouse because of the overlap,
As someone that currently runs 200+ tabs, this is really the only post in this thread, that makes me concerned about the new update. I hope there is a way to customize that, because i'd hate the overlapping of tabs.

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Liljna: [...]
Fenixp's screens show only a few tabs open. I sit with 100+ tabs open on this group alone with 36 in the visible browser window alone.
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AndyBuzz: Every time I see a comment like that I can't but wonder how anyone can manage so many open tabs at once. Don't you get confused on what it's open or not?
I don't find it confusing. Plus, Firefox has an option you can check so it only loads the current site you're on when you open the browser.
Post edited May 04, 2014 by FoxySage
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shane-o: No complaints here either. I use Firefox Nightly so saw this earlier and am used to it

It's really not that bad. I am miffed they removed the status bar though
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/the-addon-bar/?src=userprofile
Don't know if this has been posted or not, but some of you may want to check this out if you don't like the vanilla ui.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/classicthemerestorer/
I'm still at version Firefox 23.0, due to turning off automatic updates since forever.

And, by george, I shall stick to it!
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Nicole28: I'm still at version Firefox 23.0, due to turning off automatic updates since forever.

And, by george, I shall stick to it!
JFYI, the ESR version is at 24 and they'll stay with that probably till the end of this year, but you still get security updates. The current one is 24.5
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
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cmdr_flashheart: It's all the same to me, how do people even notice this stuff. ...
It's the same for me. But then I think that I'm particularly insensitive to bad graphical design.
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ChrisSD: Um.... The old UI was nowhere near fully customisable. Addons helped tho.
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Trilarion: It's the same for me. But then I think that I'm particularly insensitive to bad graphical design.
The problem is that with every version after the journey to Australis stable started, they're taking out functionality; the number of add-ons you now need for things that worked natively before increases with every new version, and with all the code that is being taken out it's sometimes not even possible - for example, I hate tabs on top, but the about:config hack to disable it doesn't work anymore. I always regarded add-ons, about:config (i.e. prefs.js and user.js) and the userChrome and userContent files as means to enhance functionality and to customise the browser to the usability and looks that suit me the best, but a lot is negatively changing, like the dropping of the chrome folder in your profile a good number of versions ago.
Not to mention that the add-ons update function behaves in a broken way - I prefer to manually check and then decide to download and install them, but it doesn't work like this anymore.

I got tired of spending time and energy trying to restore things that they took out and moved away from native Firefox around v.14 or v.15 (don't remember the exact version), made Pale Moon my default browser (with the majority of my add-ons being security/ privacy related) and never looked back. Not only that, but I have also moved family members and friends over to Pale Moon because, imho, it's currently the best Gecko based browser for Windows users.

And this comes from a once hardcore fan of Firefox - once, when Firefox used to be the browser of choice for folks that enjoyed to fiddle with its settings and functionality; now it has become more suited for the average user that either doesn't know or doesn't care to bother with such stuff. Sadly, as others have said, Mozilla has chosen to go forth with this transition with Firefox as a poor Chrome rip-off/ wannabe that not only won't ever manage to convert Chrome users, but is also loosing fans to other Gecko based browsers.
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HypersomniacLive: The problem is that with every version after the journey to Australis stable started, they're taking out functionality; the number of add-ons you now need for things that worked natively before increases with every new version, and with all the code that is being taken out it's sometimes not even possible - for example, I hate tabs on top, but the about:config hack to disable it doesn't work anymore. I always regarded add-ons, about:config (i.e. prefs.js and user.js) and the userChrome and userContent files as means to enhance functionality and to customise the browser to the usability and looks that suit me the best, but a lot is negatively changing, like the dropping of the chrome folder in your profile a good number of versions ago.
Not to mention that the add-ons update function behaves in a broken way - I prefer to manually check and then decide to download and install them, but it doesn't work like this anymore.

I got tired of spending time and energy trying to restore things that they took out and moved away from native Firefox around v.14 or v.15 (don't remember the exact version), made Pale Moon my default browser (with the majority of my add-ons being security/ privacy related) and never looked back. Not only that, but I have also moved family members and friends over to Pale Moon because, imho, it's currently the best Gecko based browser for Windows users.

And this comes from a once hardcore fan of Firefox - once, when Firefox used to be the browser of choice for folks that enjoyed to fiddle with its settings and functionality; now it has become more suited for the average user that either doesn't know or doesn't care to bother with such stuff. Sadly, as others have said, Mozilla has chosen to go forth with this transition with Firefox as a poor Chrome rip-off/ wannabe that not only won't ever manage to convert Chrome users, but is also loosing fans to other Gecko based browsers.
Okay, I'm checking out Pale Moon now and I quite like it, but I have a question that I can't seem to find through a search. I'm hoping you can help on this one. This is probably something stupidly easy that I'm overlooking, but anyway...

in Firefox, I can have multiple tabs open and shut down the browser. When I start it again, it reopens all my tabs (saves them, in other words). I can't seem to figure out how to do this with Pale Moon. If I shut down PM with a bunch of tabs open I get a warning that I'm closing multiple tabs and when I start up the browser again, all my previously open tabs are gone. How do I tweak this?
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Coelocanth: Okay, I'm checking out Pale Moon now and I quite like it, but I have a question that I can't seem to find through a search. I'm hoping you can help on this one. This is probably something stupidly easy that I'm overlooking, but anyway...

in Firefox, I can have multiple tabs open and shut down the browser. When I start it again, it reopens all my tabs (saves them, in other words). I can't seem to figure out how to do this with Pale Moon. If I shut down PM with a bunch of tabs open I get a warning that I'm closing multiple tabs and when I start up the browser again, all my previously open tabs are gone. How do I tweak this?
I assume (I never use the restore session function) that you need to change the related setting in about:config - if you need help to do it, let me know and I'll guide you step by step.

Make sure that browser.startup.page value is set to 3, close and restart Pale Moon.

Give it a shot and report back if it worked.
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JohnnyDollar: JFYI, the ESR version is at 24 and they'll stay with that probably till the end of this year, but you still get security updates. The current one is 24.5
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all/
Thanks JohnnyDollar! That was helpful. :)
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HypersomniacLive: I assume (I never use the restore session function) that you need to change the related setting in about:config - if you need help to do it, let me know and I'll guide you step by step.

Make sure that browser.startup.page value is set to 3, close and restart Pale Moon.

Give it a shot and report back if it worked.
Thanks very much for the reply, but this was all a result of me being stupid (as I surmised). The option is there under Tools->Options->General->When Pale Moon Starts. I just had to select 'Show my windows and tabs from last time'. So simple and really not hard to find. Ye gods, I sometimes wonder about myself. Thanks again for the help though. :)