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Posted April 15, 2011
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Delixe: That's a new one. "I want to see if it works". I suppose it's more convincing than the demo excuse.
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KingofGnG: What excuse? I'm not hypocritical, so I don't need any excuse. I pirate what I want, I purchase what I want. So sue me....
And many companies if they found out who you were would indeed sue you. :)

Sorry, couldn't resist, you walked right into that one.
Post edited April 15, 2011 by crazy_dave
Posted April 15, 2011
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KingofGnG: What excuse? I'm not hypocritical, so I don't need any excuse. I pirate what I want, I purchase what I want. So sue me....
Yeah pirating a DRM free game. We are lucky to have people like you. I suppose you will purchase it when it reaches what you consider an acceptable price. Like $5 in a Steam sale long after any sales matter.
Post edited April 15, 2011 by Delixe
Posted April 15, 2011
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Delixe: That's rather easy. On install the game phones home it checks how many games are currently active with that key. If there are already 5 active it won't let you activate a 6th one. You will have to stop playing the game one of the 5 currently running machines before you can start the game on number 6. Why this would be an issue for anyone other than a very rich octopus is beyond me.
Still missing the point >.<

Say you remotely disable an installation of Witcher that you have installed on your laptop.

When you come back to your laptop, you need an internet connection to reanable it, which is outside of installation.
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Gersen: NO, you can install on five computer at time with an unlimited number of deactivation, that's different.
Yes.

http://www.newgamenetwork.com/news/2569/witcher-2-to-include-securom-drm/

"CD Projekt has confirmed that The Witcher 2 will in fact use SecuROM for its retail release DRM. The developers noted that the DRM will still allow for unlimited installations on an unlimited number of computers, with ability to play on up to five computers at once"
Post edited April 15, 2011 by xyem
Posted April 15, 2011
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xyem: When you come back to your laptop, you need an internet connection to reanable it, which is outside pf installation.
No it only goes online at installation. You can have it installed on an unlimited number of machines but only 5 can be active. This will only be an issue with automatic updates I would assume.
Posted April 15, 2011
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Delixe: That's rather easy. On install the game phones home it checks how many games are currently active with that key. If there are already 5 active it won't let you activate a 6th one. You will have to stop playing the game one of the 5 currently running machines before you can start the game on number 6. Why this would be an issue for anyone other than a very rich octopus is beyond me.
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xyem: Still missing the point >.<

Say you remotely disable an installation of Witcher that you have installed on your laptop.

When you come back to your laptop, you need an internet connection to reanable it, which is outside pf installation.
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Gersen: NO, you can install on five computer at time with an unlimited number of deactivation, that's different.
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xyem: YES.

http://www.newgamenetwork.com/news/2569/witcher-2-to-include-securom-drm/

"CD Projekt has confirmed that The Witcher 2 will in fact use SecuROM for its retail release DRM. The developers noted that the DRM will still allow for unlimited installations on an unlimited number of computers, with ability to play on up to five computers at once"
So here's how I interpret this.

You can install it on 5 computers, to install on a 6th computer you must uninstall it from one of the other five. So an internet connection is probably required for install and uninstall.

This is risky, as if your computer goes titsup 5 times then you've lost your game. Probably a call to tech support would then fix that.
Posted April 15, 2011
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KingofGnG: First of all, I'll take a cracked version to see if the game runs on my system, of course....
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Delixe: That's a new one. "I want to see if it works". I suppose it's more convincing than the demo excuse.
It's not really a new one. The unfortunate reality is that PC games are more complex than ever technologically, they're more expensive than ever, and yet demos are becoming more rare than ever. Combine all of those and you've got serious incentive to make sure something works properly before shelling out money, and fewer legal ways to do so than ever before.

This gets even more important if you're running less-than-optimal hardware, because sometimes a game's minimum requirements are legitimately playable, sometimes they actually overshoot what you need just to be safe, and sometimes they're the minimum to get the game to boot up but no promises beyond that.

And it's not like a game that doesn't work can be returned, either. Thanks to DRM no game stores will take back PC games these days.

I really don't blame people who pirate a game to see if it'll run. After some recent debacles with half-assed console ports and bugged to hell PC exclusives it's hard to blame them for wanting to kick the wheels before buying the car.
Posted April 15, 2011
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xyem: "CD Projekt has confirmed that The Witcher 2 will in fact use SecuROM for its retail release DRM. The developers noted that the DRM will still allow for unlimited installations on an unlimited number of computers, with ability to play on up to five computers at once"
huh that is a little tougher, the only thing I can think of then is that it downloads an encrypted license to your computer that the program can check is active or deactivated. And to reenable or deauthorize you need the internet as they are treated as installation processes.
Post edited April 15, 2011 by crazy_dave
Posted April 15, 2011
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wpegg: So here's how I interpret this.

You can install it on 5 computers, to install on a 6th computer you must uninstall it from one of the other five. So an internet connection is probably required for install and uninstall.

This is risky, as if your computer goes titsup 5 times then you've lost your game. Probably a call to tech support would then fix that.
If you can only have 5 installations at one time, that's called an installation limit. Thus, it isn't 'unlimited installations'.
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crazy_dave: huh that is a little tougher, the only thing I can think of then is that it downloads an encrypted license to your computer that the program can check is active or deactivated. And to reenable or deauthorize you need the internet as they are treated as installation processes.
And once again, that means to activate a de-activated one, you'll need an internet connection while you are not installing, which they said would be the only time it was required.
Post edited April 15, 2011 by xyem
Posted April 15, 2011
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sethsez: It's not really a new one. The unfortunate reality is that PC games are more complex than ever technologically, they're more expensive than ever, and yet demos are becoming more rare than ever. Combine all of those and you've got serious incentive to make sure something works properly before shelling out money, and fewer legal ways to do so than ever before.
Sorry I don't buy that. Part in parcel of being a PC gamer is knowing about PC hardware. Most people should know that looking at the minimum requirements will produce a a barely running game. It will work but it won't be pretty and you will probably get low frame rates. If you have doubts the game will run you don't buy it until you upgrade your hardware.

I have no sympathy for anyone who complains the game wont run on an Atom with Intel HD graphics when the MINIMUM specs are an 8800 and a dual core.
Posted April 15, 2011
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wpegg: So here's how I interpret this.

You can install it on 5 computers, to install on a 6th computer you must uninstall it from one of the other five. So an internet connection is probably required for install and uninstall.

This is risky, as if your computer goes titsup 5 times then you've lost your game. Probably a call to tech support would then fix that.
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xyem: If you can only have 5 installations at one time, that's called an installation limit. Thus, it isn't 'unlimited installations'.
I agree it is a dubious use of the term. They would probably argue that it is unlimited in that at no point would they say you've installed it too many times regardless of how many times you've uninstalled it (as Games For WIndows Live might).
Posted April 15, 2011
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wpegg: So here's how I interpret this.

You can install it on 5 computers, to install on a 6th computer you must uninstall it from one of the other five. So an internet connection is probably required for install and uninstall.

This is risky, as if your computer goes titsup 5 times then you've lost your game. Probably a call to tech support would then fix that.
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xyem: If you can only have 5 installations at one time, that's called an installation limit. Thus, it isn't 'unlimited installations'.
Beyond the license solution I put in the post above (41), it also may be that the person writing the article worded simply it badly - i.e. that the total installation limit is unlimited by the number of installations at any one time is limited to 5. Again, it could just be poor wording on the part of the news writer.
Posted April 15, 2011
Wait, will the boxed (disc) version of Witcher 2 have online authentication? Did I miss that bit? If so, I will cancel my collector's edition preorder. Dead serious. I'll buy Mortal Kombat & GOG's version of Witcher 2 and still have money left over. Or just pirate Witcher 2 (Okay, so I prob won't pirate it... but grrr nonetheless). Fuck that bullshit.
Post edited April 15, 2011 by ddmuse
Posted April 15, 2011
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xyem: And once again, that means to activate a de-activated one, you'll need an internet connection while you are not installing, which they said would be the only time it was required.
Yes I said that ... but they may be treating re-authorization as an installation process ... that is still not requiring an internet connection while playing. Again it could be simply a badly worded article.
Post edited April 15, 2011 by crazy_dave
Posted April 15, 2011
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ddmuse: Wait, will the boxed (disc) version of Witcher 2 have online authentication? Did I miss that bit?
All versions of The Witcher come with SecuROM other than the one sold on GOG.
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ddmuse: Or just pirate Witcher 2. Fuck that bullshit.
Wonderful! As predicted even when a AAA title is released DRM free people intend to pirate it.
Post edited April 15, 2011 by Delixe
Posted April 15, 2011
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crazy_dave: it also may be that the person writing the article worded simply it badly
I'll check out the presentation video later but I'm pretty sure it is quoted word-for-word from the slide they used :P
Post edited April 15, 2011 by xyem
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