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Posted December 26, 2014
Hmm, Valkyria Chroncile is blocked in Asia region again. Why bother with steam if you're not masochist?
Post edited December 26, 2014 by sorrowofwind
Posted December 26, 2014
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Ebany: I agree *sigh*
X:Games by Egosoft are now Steam only, and so is Civ. Two of my favourite games (after The Witcher of coarse) and I can no longer play the new material without Steam. Heartbreaking.
As I think was already mentioned, The devs of X3 have have a Non-Steam exe available on their website for Albion prelude. 100% official.
Posted December 26, 2014
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paladin181: And no matter how you slice it, that means people will steal them. Even though every pirated copy is not a lost sale, and sometimes pirated copies mean more sales (or less if your game is absolute shit) but ultimately, there are people out there that don't care about buying and will take for free whatever they can, regardless of better means to get it.
Very much agree.

Often companies will announce earnings lost to piracy and many take it as gospel, but like you say, those who got a free copy never had any intention of purchasing the game so it's not lost revenue.

However, the model GoG works on is solid, hence we have a heap of other companies starting to do similar things. Spotify is a classic example.
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xordiw: Hey guys. To be honest I did not read everything since I am a little drunk.
I hear ya m8! I almost never drink but right now I'm getting happy on these Matso Mango Beer :)

Nothing better to help one write fantastical replies.
Post edited December 26, 2014 by Ebany
Posted December 26, 2014
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paladin181: It's really quite clear that some people assume they have rights that they don't, and while Steam, Valve and many others are shitty to take advantage of it, it's not illegal or exceptionally dishonest compared to some things out there.
But quite often it is illegal, can't circumvent a countries laws with an EULA.

I think I made the example of refunds, which legally Steam must provide to Australian customers due to our strict consumer protection laws. They have not been doing this and now they're in the crapper because our Government is taking them to court.

3 weeks ago I got Steam to "unlink" a CD-Key from my account so I could put it on another, Steam put a 7 day trading bar on my account, but they did it. A few of months ago I'd have been lucky just to get a reply from their support Dept telling me to go F' myself, but then my Gov wasn't dragging them to court at that time.
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JKHSawyer: I have around 460 games on GOG. I have around 650 on Steam. Take your fanboyism BS elsewhere.
You must be a super proud hater of Origin ....... remember, wooooooosaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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Coelocanth: FFS, never buy from Steam, and then you go on to list ways to buy from Steam. Mixed signals much?
That's the female coming out in all us emancipated modern age men :)
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LiquidOxygen80: Sounds like a cheap assblasted shill thread to me. Today, OP is a fag.
wtf does that garbage even mean? I tried to Google "shill" and still can't work it out ...... & "OP is a fag"?!? How is calling me a dari insulting???
Post edited December 26, 2014 by Ebany
Posted December 26, 2014
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sorrowofwind: Hmm, Valkyria Chroncile is blocked in Asia region again. Why bother with steam if you're not masochist?
lol, that brings up some nasty pictures in my head :D
Posted December 26, 2014
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Ebany: ...... without knowing some important facts.

1.) Steam is not a religion, even if it's Fan-Boys hear the voice of Gabe .... ah, God.
2.) Steam support is only slightly better than EA's ........ in fact it could even be worse.
3.) Steam has recently (just before this big Xmas sale) disabled regional game activation, no more cheap Russian games :(
4.) Steam prices are inflated, never purchase from Steam if the game can be bought elsewhere ...... unless your 7 types of special and collect those virtual badges like a Bower Bird collects blue pegs.
5.) Avoiding game download/install by using Idle Master to get Steam Trading Cards is not cheating, it's optimisation of time by removing economical inefficiencies.
6.) NEVER use the Steam client to purchase games, only for account changes (wallet deposits, etc).
7.) NEVER purchase a game without using Firefox or Chrome & the Enhanced Steam add-on. This add-on provides additional information (e.g. Historical low prices, current low prices, links to those low prices, people in game, etc) inserted into the pages been loaded, seriously, you'd be 7 types of retard not to use this add-on.
8.) Always keep a copy of your receipt, always.
9.) Keep a back-up spreadsheet of your CD-Keys as some can be used on multiple clients. e.g. Crysis 2 CD-Keys from Steam can be activated on Origin, etc.
10.) Steam is a law unto themselves since (until recently) they've never faced prosecution for disregarding consumer rights. e.g. Recently the Government consumer body in my country is initiating court proceedings against Steam for it's failure to provide Aussies with Refunds.
11.) Always purchase wallet funds through a 3rd party, e.g. EB Games.
12.) Never use any CC other than a Prepaid with capacity for multiple currencies and $0 exchange rate fees.

Obey these 12 commandments and you will always remain content when dealing with Steam.

Edit: And if your an Aussie then join [Ozbargain](https://www.ozbargain.com.au/cat/gaming)
oops, you forgot the most important:
13) Steam is shit.
Posted December 26, 2014
As much as I agree with everyone else who blasted the OP, I do have to thank them for introducing me to the Enhanced Steam add-on.
Posted December 26, 2014
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Ebany: I agree *sigh*
X:Games by Egosoft are now Steam only, and so is Civ. Two of my favourite games (after The Witcher of coarse) and I can no longer play the new material without Steam. Heartbreaking.
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Pheace: As I think was already mentioned, The devs of X3 have have a Non-Steam exe available on their website for Albion prelude. 100% official.
True, but then X3 did come out 7 or 8 years ago, and if memory serves it wasn't until the Albion Prelude expansion in 2011 that it required Steam to work. Prior to that I could just throw my CD in the drive and go for it.

They promised X:Rebirth would have a No-Steam.exe by the end of a year, they lied ...... which reminds me, I gotto go leave a post on their forums ......
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meudoland: oops, you forgot the most important:
13) Steam is shit.
That's my OCD coming out, I have issues with odd numbers and I couldn't think of a 14 without repeating 13 :)
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rampancy: As much as I agree with everyone else who blasted the OP, I do have to thank them for introducing me to the Enhanced Steam add-on.
Thank them?
Post edited December 26, 2014 by Ebany
Posted December 26, 2014
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rampancy: As much as I agree with everyone else who blasted the OP, I do have to thank them for introducing me to the Enhanced Steam add-on.
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Ebany: Thank them?
Er, I mean thank the OP (even though for the most part I didn't agree with the tone of their post, just like many others here). I'd actually never heard of Enhanced Steam before. English Fail for me. :P
Post edited December 26, 2014 by rampancy
Posted December 26, 2014
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Ebany: Thank them?
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rampancy: Er, I mean thank the OP (even though for the most part I didn't agree with the tone of their post, just like many others here). I'd actually never heard of Enhanced Steam before. English Fail for me. :P
Any-time :)

Getting the Enhanced Steam name out there is my only aim, I empathise with those poor buggers who've felt ripped off.

The other fluff is for those stupid fools who's fanatical lust for Steam or neutral elitist nature means they can't help but respond in a negative way. If they can keep something as stupid as #GamerGate going with their useless drivvle, they could certainly keep this thread alive with their unintelligent insults.

;)
Posted December 26, 2014
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Ebany: The other fluff is for those stupid fools who's fanatical lust for Steam or neutral elitist nature means they can't help but respond in a negative way. If they can keep something as stupid as #GamerGate going with their useless drivvle, they could certainly keep this thread alive with their unintelligent insults.
Well, when the alternative is 30 pages of “GAME NOT ADDED TO ACCOUNT PAYMENT CHARGED…”

But seriously, surely you know that there is a middle ground between the people who would just as soon see Gabe Newell crucified on a burning cross, and the “No Steam, No Sale” crowd. The problem here, as I see it (and as in all other things in gaming and nerddom), is intense extremism on either side of the debate. I think opposition to extremism is where at least some of the pushback that you saw came from. While I’m a big supporter of GOG, I’m not ashamed to say that I have a Steam account, and buy games on Steam (albeit, nowhere nearly as much as GOG). I think Steam has caused a lot of problems with PC gaming, but it’s unwise to off-handedly dismiss Steam’s positive points as well.
Posted December 26, 2014
I know these rabid anti-Steam threads are intended to be pro-GOG, but in reality they're just embarrassing for GOG and for the community.
Posted December 26, 2014
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Asbeau: I know these rabid anti-Steam threads are intended to be pro-GOG, but in reality they're just embarrassing for GOG and for the community.
umm ....... I think you've arrived late to lunch. This thread is about Enhanced Steam, possibly the single best add-on for purchasing games ever devised.

Incidentally, the same genius wrote the code for Idle-Master. Irony is that many of the same people who use Enhanced Steam bash Idle-Master as a hack which gives a person an unfair advantage.
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rampancy: The problem here, as I see it (and as in all other things in gaming and nerddom), is intense extremism on either side of the debate.
Very true. In fact it's a well known phenomena, in my field it's called "Selective Perception". The most obvious circumstances it can be observed is in parents and their children.

e.g. Little Tommy is caught stealing a apple from the neighbours tree, his parents blame the friends bad influence.

e.g. Little Tommy grows up and rapes/murders 17 goats & a pig, his parents claim his innocent as their little baby could never do such a thing. The murder weapons were placed in his house by the RSPCA, it's a set-up.

Edit: My bad, forgot the actual point, too many Mango Beers :)

My point is that a person can/will always paint their own picture and force their mind to conform, the more stubborn a person then the more effective. Smokers do this too, they convince themselves that they love smoking, and only one brand. The moment it runs out they'd suck down burning tea leaves for a buzz and still say it relax's them.

As they say; Across from the lies stands the truth, across from that truth stands a different truth.
Post edited December 26, 2014 by Ebany
Posted December 26, 2014
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Ebany: They promised X:Rebirth would have a No-Steam.exe by the end of a year, they lied ...... which reminds me, I gotto go leave a post on their forums ......
Why bother? I've yet to hear a positive opinion about that game.
Posted December 26, 2014
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Pheace: Why bother? I've yet to hear a positive opinion about that game.
It's not worst game I ever played. Does this qualify?:)
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