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Posted October 21, 2012
Actually, I think I see a direction for them: GOG- We have Good Old Games and also Good Obscure Games.

Indie games are great except for the higher price point (I'm not very rich, or even middle class) but many of them are definitely carrying on the spirit of many of the great classics. Geneforge, for example, is one of the closest approximations of classic paper-and-pencil roleplaying as I've seen in a while, and many other indies are just plain cool.

Classics are like the guys from the 80s that still know how to rock like we did back then, and indies are like the teenagers who hang out with the guys from the 80s and would rather listen to Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, and Judas Priest than any of the new prefabricated pop music.
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Posted October 21, 2012
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CaptainGyro: I don't get the complaints either. Besides, how often do classics need to be released here anyway? Even if it's just 2 a month, that's still plenty. How much old school gaming do you really need in a month? There's already a library of old games that can last a person years here already, and then 2 more a month will keep the backlog growing. Have all the complainers actually played all of their older games that they've bought?
Even if GOG suddenly stopped releasing indie titles completely, you'd still hear complaints so long as a particular release doesn't happen to be on someone's list of hoped-for games. I agree that there is at times a sense that an unwanted release is somehow delaying that one game or list of games that someone is waiting and hoping for.

I think this can happen regardless of whether the game is a newer indie title, or and older game that simply doesn't interest a particular person. For someone who has no real interest in newer games, the inclusion of indie releases just adds to that sense.

Not everyone thinks like that of course, nor do I really think such a line of thinking represents the majority. Personally, I'm fine with the inclusion of indie game releases as I think there are still plenty of old games still being released.
Posted October 21, 2012
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CaptainGyro: I don't get the complaints either. Besides, how often do classics need to be released here anyway? Even if it's just 2 a month, that's still plenty. How much old school gaming do you really need in a month? There's already a library of old games that can last a person years here already, and then 2 more a month will keep the backlog growing. Have all the complainers actually played all of their older games that they've bought?
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hedwards: The issue there is that this used to be the only specialist shop for those games made compatible on newer hardware. And now they've lost focus on that. They're still releasing old games, but I think there's this sense, rightly or wrongly, that the newer releases are delaying the backlog of games that Mr. Gog has available to release. But, it's hard to say as additional revenue is also more money to put into bringing old games up to date as well.
I vaguely remember gog support and other postings indicated that offering selected new/indie games wouldn't affect the release of older classic games. Indeed they had been offering both regularly last few months. Maybe i was wrong. Anyway a good number of us come here for the old classics... honestly im not that interested in indie titles that much....
Posted October 21, 2012
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nijuu: I vaguely remember gog support and other postings indicated that offering selected new/indie games wouldn't affect the release of older classic games. Indeed they had been offering both regularly last few months. Maybe i was wrong. Anyway a good number of us come here for the old classics... honestly im not that interested in indie titles that much....
They promised that yes, but I should go and double check to make sure my recollections are correct before accusing anybody of lying and or changing their position. But, it seems like they aren't releasing a new old game twice a week like they used to be.

But, then again I'm not paying as close attention as I was due to the internet being a bit unstable around here.
Posted October 21, 2012
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Theta_Sigma: I think this is something I completely agree with you on. I love a game regardless of when it was released, SO LONG as it is quality, fun and I am happy with my purchase. Do I want more old games? Hell yeah, however, I think any game that is fun, DRM-Free and made with a standard of care and quality should have a home on GOG.com. That all being said, more classic games too please. :)
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hedwards: The difference is that you can get all of the Indie games that GOG offers elsewhere, but a lot of the old games aren't really available any more except from eBay and they may or may not work. DRM free is great, but at the end of the day, people holding out for DRM free new games have the option of caving, but for a lot of the old games, that option doesn't exist at all.
Just my opinion man, and I guess I'm lucky to live in a place where a lot of old classics are still for sale at local pawn shops. Very few, I have to got Amazon and eBay for, but again I'm just lucky I suppose. And I did say I would like more classics, but if they can't get something why leave an empty void there that you can put a good indie or newer game DRM-Free.

I would love the System Shock or LucasArts Adventure games, but odds are I'll have to stick to my CD versions. I realize there are more old games out there that are awesome, but being able to actually GET them is a whole other animal. And, keep in mind, many games released by GOG have had the spirit of classics, such as FTL, Deponia, Book of Unwritten Tales, Geneforge 1-5, Inquisitor, etc...

Don't get me wrong, I want all the classics I grew up with released here, but realistically I don't have much hope for that happening. If it happens splendid, if not, well that's the way the cookie crumbles.
Posted October 21, 2012
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hedwards: The difference is that you can get all of the Indie games that GOG offers elsewhere, but a lot of the old games aren't really available any more except from eBay and they may or may not work. DRM free is great, but at the end of the day, people holding out for DRM free new games have the option of caving, but for a lot of the old games, that option doesn't exist at all.
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Theta_Sigma: Just my opinion man, and I guess I'm lucky to live in a place where a lot of old classics are still for sale at local pawn shops. Very few, I have to got Amazon and eBay for, but again I'm just lucky I suppose. And I did say I would like more classics, but if they can't get something why leave an empty void there that you can put a good indie or newer game DRM-Free. I would love the System Shock or LucasArts Adventure games, but odds are I'll have to stick to my CD versions. I realize there are more old games out there that are awesome, but being able to actually GET them is a whole other animal. And, keep in mind, many games released by GOG have had the spirit of classics, such as FTL, Deponia, Book of Unwritten Tales, Geneforge 1-5, Inquisitor, etc... Don't get me wrong, I want all the classics I grew up with released here, but realistically I don't have much hope for that happening. If it happens splendid, if not, well that's the way the cookie crumbles.
I'd probably feel differently if so many of the new Indie games they're releasing weren't already DRM free elsewhere. I get that they want to release good indie games DRM free, but a lot of them are already DRM free and I already own them.

Yeah, you can go the route of pawn shops and eBay, but you get no guarantee that the game will function at all, let alone that the CD Key will be usable online. Granted occasionally a GOG game wont' run, but the odds are substantially better than a disk that's possibly breaking down due to old age.
Posted October 21, 2012
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Theta_Sigma: Just my opinion man, and I guess I'm lucky to live in a place where a lot of old classics are still for sale at local pawn shops. Very few, I have to got Amazon and eBay for, but again I'm just lucky I suppose. And I did say I would like more classics, but if they can't get something why leave an empty void there that you can put a good indie or newer game DRM-Free. I would love the System Shock or LucasArts Adventure games, but odds are I'll have to stick to my CD versions. I realize there are more old games out there that are awesome, but being able to actually GET them is a whole other animal. And, keep in mind, many games released by GOG have had the spirit of classics, such as FTL, Deponia, Book of Unwritten Tales, Geneforge 1-5, Inquisitor, etc... Don't get me wrong, I want all the classics I grew up with released here, but realistically I don't have much hope for that happening. If it happens splendid, if not, well that's the way the cookie crumbles.
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hedwards: I'd probably feel differently if so many of the new Indie games they're releasing weren't already DRM free elsewhere. I get that they want to release good indie games DRM free, but a lot of them are already DRM free and I already own them. Yeah, you can go the route of pawn shops and eBay, but you get no guarantee that the game will function at all, let alone that the CD Key will be usable online. Granted occasionally a GOG game wont' run, but the odds are substantially better than a disk that's possibly breaking down due to old age.
I get your view on the matter, I just like having all my games in one localized area rather than purchasing different sites with a slew of emails for download links and what have you. Again, though, that's just my view.

Actually believe it or not, I have never once had an issue with any (pc) game I've purchased from the local pawn shops. Though many of them really didn't have a CD Key, but the ones that did never gave me a hassle. I am probably just very lucky though, it looks like I'm going to have to resort to Amazon to get System Shock 2 back. As my ex-roommate absconded with my copy when he moved out a few years back. :( It is the one game I can never seem to find in hock.
Posted October 21, 2012
Personally, I rarely play indie games, but I do think they are a good fit for GOG. They're cheap, they're niche, they're old-school, a break from modern, mainstream gaming trends - exactly the kind of games that people here want.

In terms of GOG adhering to their principles, I am far more troubled by 5 year old games like Sam and Max: Beyond Time and Space being released here at a whopping $30 price point.
Posted October 21, 2012
""Why more indie games and less old games?""

...is an illusion. GOG's just been bustin a move all over the place. Releasing all kinds of kinds of games. New and old and then 50 Mac games all at once.. BAM there it is!! GOG has stepped up their game. Been workin behind the scenes. Getting stuffs done! And then gone all crazy with mass sales. They are acquiring revenue, for what remains to be seen. Already we see GOG making big moves. Why the big cash drive? What has GOG in store for us next :)
Posted October 21, 2012
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WhiteElk: What has GOG in store for us next :)
Hopefully a more functional forum with more features and more games!
Posted October 21, 2012
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CaptainGyro: ] Why is it an issue? Like I said 2 releases a month and the current library of old games is still plenty enough for anybody
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hedwards: Because that's not really how that works. It's enough for everybody if you happen to want those particular games and GOG is releasing them as soon as they're ready. But, if you don't want those games, then it's not really anything at all in terms of a release. They could release tons of games that I have no interest in and it doesn't actually mean anything positive for me if the games I want haven't been released. I doubt they are releasing games as quickly as they're ready just because it's not predictable how long it will take until a game is ready for release. Plus, they used to relase that many every week.
Have you considered that perhaps GOG has already released most of the old classics that are in an easy to handle copyright situation? When it comes down to it, the copyright issues of old games are a mess, especially if the old company has been dispanded and the rights have been sold ages ago several times.

If GOG wouldn't release indie titles, then there would be a danger that there just wouldn't be enough releases in a year to keep people interested.
Posted October 21, 2012
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CaptainGyro: Why is it an issue? Like I said 2 releases a month and the current library of old games is still plenty enough for anybody
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hedwards: Because that's not really how that works. It's enough for everybody if you happen to want those particular games and GOG is releasing them as soon as they're ready. But, if you don't want those games, then it's not really anything at all in terms of a release. They could release tons of games that I have no interest in and it doesn't actually mean anything positive for me if the games I want haven't been released. I doubt they are releasing games as quickly as they're ready just because it's not predictable how long it will take until a game is ready for release. Plus, they used to relase that many every week.
So how much longer do you actually think you will end up waiting because of the delay caused by them putting out indie games instead? A few weeks or a couple of months maybe? There hasn't been some huge slowdown of older games being released. They still have released 6-7 older games in the last month, which isn't far off from the 2 a week that you mentioned. I just meant that even IF the amount of older releases would get as low as 2 month ( which it hasn't), still that and the backlog should be able to tide people over during the extra delay.
Post edited October 21, 2012 by CaptainGyro
Posted October 21, 2012
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RafCaj: First, I tried to find a similar topic but I couldn't, so I'm making this one. Why is GOG adding so many new indie games to it's catalog instead of good old games? The past weeks the only old game to show it's face was Bioforge, and it wasn't even noticed at the new video. I believe indie games should have all kinds of publicity possible, but I'm afraid soon GOG will have an equal share of new and old games, thus ending the meaning of the site. I need opinions on this matter
I'm guessing it is because it is a huge pain in the ass for them to add old games to their catalog.
Posted October 21, 2012
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hedwards: Why more indie games and less old games?
Why not?
Posted October 21, 2012
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hedwards: Why more indie games and less old games?
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mobutu: Why not?
Good old games.
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