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General discussion (archive)Why don't you like Tactical Shooters?(92 posts)(92 posts)
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Posted October 01, 2012
To quote the pilot in Return of the Jedi, "There's too many of them!"
Posted October 01, 2012
For me it's mainly down to control scheme, button layout and god-like AI. But if they simplified it, i'm afraid it won't be that tactical, such as Operation Flashpoint on consoles. Miles behind Bohemia's OF:CWA and ArmA.
Posted October 01, 2012
Most memorable tactical shooter I've seen is Evolva.
And why is Hidden and Dangerous not mentioned in the thread?
Posted October 01, 2012
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mondo84: To quote the pilot in Return of the Jedi, "There's too many of them!"
Ah yes but thats a normal complaint from gamers. There's always too many of something til they stop making them and then the stupid bastards moan because there are none haha.
Posted October 01, 2012
One of the reason why I dislike so many tactical shooters is because they often fall on the frustrating side of things. One lucky hit from an enemy can result in death of a team member, and sometimes the games don't give enough indication of where enemies might be.

Still, I love Hidden & dangerous (even though I'm horrible at the game) & SWAT 3 & 4.
Posted October 01, 2012
I played a lot of Delta Force, Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon years back, but I eventually grew tired of FPS's in general not just the tactical ones.
Since the focus of most shooters is the online play nowadays, I can't really say I'm eager to jump back in.
Posted October 01, 2012
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jamyskis: The principle of tactical shooters is wonderful, but actually putting together a team that actually supports you and works as a team is a rare thing indeed. Single-player team bots are fucking idiots at the best of times, wandering into the line of fire, refusing to carry out orders, and getting killed doing the easiest of tasks. Multiplayer is just as bad, where you'll always have some asshat fuck it up for the rest of the team under the pretense of just having a laugh.
I think with today's tech we can make the AI 10x better now, also the closest best ai ever for that kind of gameplay was Star Wars: Republic Commando.
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Catshade: Because the first-person/third-person perspective is too limiting for me. I like my tactical games when I can see it top-down or isometric all of the time (I know that some tactical FPS provide top-down map view, but it doesn't feel the same).
That is the point of the games they are suppose to be realistic, and I am pretty certain there are ways to look at top-down like radar to spot enemy tanks.
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SimonG: Rainbow Six wasn't a shooter.
???

unless you mean its a simulator?
Post edited October 01, 2012 by Elmofongo
Posted October 01, 2012
I don't like... thinking in my shooters. I want my thinking from the top-down perspective, mostly. Of course the view is different, but things are much more fun to control from there.

The reason I don't play Arma (I have it on steam) are the clunky controls. I think I would get over them with time, but I just don't have the energy.

Nonetheless I understand what you are saying -- I hate it when the publishers or developers alter the basic idea of a series for better marketing. It makes me kind of sad.
Posted October 01, 2012
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Elmofongo: I think with today's tech we can make the AI 10x better now, also the closest best ai ever for that kind of gameplay was Star Wars: Republic Commando.
The problem isn't the tech - the tech's been there for years. The problem is the development, as AI is possibly one of the most time-consuming programming tasks there is. Studios just aren't willing to invest the money and time to make good AI. There have been some notable exceptions, but for the most part, computer AI that works alongside and reacts appropriately to human behaviour is still a rare thing.

PCs get more powerful, but the average capability of an AI programmer remains the same.
Posted October 01, 2012
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Elmofongo: I think with today's tech we can make the AI 10x better now, also the closest best ai ever for that kind of gameplay was Star Wars: Republic Commando.
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jamyskis: The problem isn't the tech - the tech's been there for years. The problem is the development, as AI is possibly one of the most time-consuming programming tasks there is. Studios just aren't willing to invest the money and time to make good AI. There have been some notable exceptions, but for the most part, computer AI that works alongside and reacts appropriately to human behaviour is still a rare thing.

PCs get more powerful, but the average capability of an AI programmer remains the same.
We need an AI to code AI.
Posted October 01, 2012
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Elmofongo: ???

unless you mean its a simulator?
It was a game about tactics and planning. You could beat the game without pulling the trigger.
Posted October 01, 2012
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Elmofongo: ???

unless you mean its a simulator?
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SimonG: It was a game about tactics and planning. You could beat the game without pulling the trigger.
ah yeah, why would I need to shoot when my AI programed allies can do it.
Posted October 01, 2012
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grviper: We need an AI to code AI.
You mean like...Skynet?
Posted October 01, 2012
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grviper: We need an AI to code AI.
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jamyskis: You mean like...Skynet?
plus SHODAN and GLaDOS and EDI there to help aswell.
Posted October 01, 2012
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Elmofongo: ah yeah, why would I need to shoot when my AI programed allies can do it.
The game unique strength was (and still is, unsurpassed) the planning stage. You could meticulously plan every step of an entry operation with several teams acting simultaneously like clockwork. And then watch it like a real operator.

The shooting part itself was fairly interesting at best. If I wanted to play a shooter, Rainbow Six was a bad choice.
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