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nondeplumage: Yes, they'll go bad eventually. But so will my computer and lamp and car and me. Entropy always wins.
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orcishgamer: Of course everything does. My only argument about BluRay losing this generation is that they saddled the physical release with so much dog-crap that people who would have been inclined to wholesale support it had both price and the dog-crap reasons to avoid it, especially when streaming in areas with high bandwidth is getting so damned good. Sooner or later the unicasting issues will be all but solved and that will be all she wrote for TV and physical discs. What does a high quality HD rip weigh in at these days on TPB or whatever? I'll be able to cram a 2 TB drive in my pocket by the end of 2011.
Didn't they just release a 2TB Micro SD card? So that'd be 40 Blu-ray (dual layer) discs stored on a device which can fit through the hole in the middle of one of said discs.

As for compatibility: Yes it's a compatibility issue, but when the issue is introduced because of changing copy protection schemes, I'd still dub it a kind of DRM issue.
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nondeplumage: So who's buying the trilogy for the umpteenth time?

Unless the damn box says original theatrical release, they can produce one less copy for me. Actually, any word on that end? Can't seem to find anything.
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orcishgamer: We'll never see Han shoot first again, I own no copies of Star Wars, period. I think years ago my (at the time) wife bought me Phantom Menace thinking I liked it or something. I pretended to. I should microwave that thing if I still have it...
In the original, Han was the ONLY one that shot. Greedo didn't even have a chance to shoot.
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orcishgamer: Of course everything does. My only argument about BluRay losing this generation is that they saddled the physical release with so much dog-crap that people who would have been inclined to wholesale support it had both price and the dog-crap reasons to avoid it, especially when streaming in areas with high bandwidth is getting so damned good. Sooner or later the unicasting issues will be all but solved and that will be all she wrote for TV and physical discs. What does a high quality HD rip weigh in at these days on TPB or whatever? I'll be able to cram a 2 TB drive in my pocket by the end of 2011.
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DrakeFox: Didn't they just release a 2TB Micro SD card? So that'd be 40 Blu-ray (dual layer) discs stored on a device which can fit through the hole in the middle of one of said discs.

As for compatibility: Yes it's a compatibility issue, but when the issue is introduced because of changing copy protection schemes, I'd still dub it a kind of DRM issue.
Can I just say this? (well, of course I can... who is gonna stop me?)

Blu-Ray is an absolutely awesome technology!

But, it is also an absolutely shitty technology.

Awesome because... well, look at it. And that's it. That is the end of the awesome train. Sure, it holds a lot of data, but from the practical point of view, it simply offers a far better picture (other than actual film) than anything else you can view in your home.

But it is shitty... because it is a solution in search of a problem. We didn't NEED an amazing new form factor. The industry did. But whatever... a good form factor is a good form factor... except for this... rather than locking down a standard, like DVD did, the Blu-Ray standard continues to evolve, partially from feature creep and partially from updated DRM.

This makes for an appliance in your home in constant need of firmware updates. Fine, if you have a PS3 or an Internet enabled Blu-Ray player (usually). But if you have an older Blu-Ray (like mine that I got "free" as part of the deal when I bought my 55" TV), you have to download the firmware update on your PC, transfer it to a thumb drive, get behind your rack and find the USB port, plug it in and do some sort of rain dance.

Not an issue for me. I'm pretty technically competent. This is a big issue for my parents. This is a big issue for the majority of non-geek humans. A PS3 is the best possible Blu Ray player now, but that isn't gonna drive the sale to the non-gamer who just wants to upgrade their home theater.

Blu Ray should be what DVD is. A disc that you insert into a player, which provides a menu that allows you access the content. It should not be an interactive Internet experience. It should not allow you to update your Facebook status during the movie. It should not create a complex web of barely watchable extras. It should not offer a chat client so you and your friends can all text each other on screen during Inception. It should just be a DVD with more data and better picture and sound, with a spec that is locked down at launch.

Imagine if your toaster was like Blu-Ray. You get up and discover it is no longer able to make toast because you bought English Muffins instead of wheat bread and now you have to update your firmware to eat breakfast.

And the majority of consumers want to put a Blu Ray disc (or DVD) into the device, and watch the movie. They don't all have wireless networks, thumb drives, always on Internet connections, and in many cases, the desire to stumble through all the new types of extra features. Lock that spec down and call it Blu-Ray... If they had simply developed a better DVD, I'd be exactly as happy as I am now. I have never thought, "hey, I want to email my thoughts on this movie to my friend in Seattle using my Blu Ray player and a remote control."
Post edited May 04, 2011 by HoneyBakedHam
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PhoenixWright: If you want to watch movies on large screens, Blu-ray is essential. We finally have a format that we can project without it looking awful. It's just a stepping stone to even higher resolutions though, which I wish we had access to.
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orcishgamer: How big is your projection?

We're not talking about overcompressed 720p alternatives, either. If you get good 720p, most stuff will look close enough on my 47 inch missing out on 1080p doesn't bother me.

And again, who wants a 3 minute load time so the DRM inside the DRMed virtual machine can load?
Well crap, your blu ray player must suck then. I just use a PS3 for blu ray and it works perfectly, and there is a substantial difference in quality and storage space between blu ray and DVDs. Higher quality picture, more room for special features, and no having to buy a 3-4 disc collection to get all the special features you want for just one movie.

My tv is a 55" Samsung LED HDTV and the picture looks great with practically anything on blu ray, especially compared to DVDs. And one thing about DVDs is you will have to adjust the picture on your HDTV for the aspect ratio to fit the screen better (which will result in slightly less quality/stretched picture just for that), since blu ray discs are formatted to fit the entire screen of an HDTV while DVDs are not.

Some DVDs though for older movies that aren't on blu ray, or TV or anime shows that will never make it to blu ray still look great too, depending on how well the DVD release was compressed in terms of quality on the disc.

All of that said, I just hope Lucasfilms doesn't fuck around with us, I just want to either see the original theatrical versions with this release, or both the original cuts and the special edition versions so we can choose which one we'd rather watch. Otherwise I won't be buying/cancelling my pre-order.

Star Wars however, will look absolutely awesome on blu ray, no doubt about that.
Post edited May 04, 2011 by thelovebat
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thelovebat: In the original, Han was the ONLY one that shot. Greedo didn't even have a chance to shoot.
While you are indeed correct the popular usage is "Han shot first"; it even has a Wikipedia article. :)
As much as I love Star Wars, the radio drama spoiled if for me. It covers quite a bit of extra story, and I recommend getting a copy of it if you ever get the chance (Or if they still even sell it).

I heard a rumor that the Blu-Ray version was adding the scenes with Luke witnessing the battle on Tatooine, speaking to his friends, Biggs, etc, but it doesn't come close to what the radio version did.
I'm nor. I'm more interested in the extended Lord of the Rings and Superman blu-ray sets coming out.
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orcishgamer: And again, who wants a 3 minute load time so the DRM inside the DRMed virtual machine can load?
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thelovebat: Well crap, your blu ray player must suck then. I just use a PS3 for blu ray and it works perfectly, and there is a substantial difference in quality and storage space between blu ray and DVDs. Higher quality picture, more room for special features, and no having to buy a 3-4 disc collection to get all the special features you want for just one movie.
My PS3 takes quite a while to load Blu-Rays... not 3 minutes mind you, but compare to a DVD and it's rather slow.

Funny though, most of the Blu-Rays I've gotten these days are 3-disc packages anyway (well, one of them usually is the DVD version). Inception was one of them that had a separate Blu-Ray just for special features.
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Wraith: As much as I love Star Wars, the radio drama spoiled if for me. It covers quite a bit of extra story, and I recommend getting a copy of it if you ever get the chance (Or if they still even sell it).

I heard a rumor that the Blu-Ray version was adding the scenes with Luke witnessing the battle on Tatooine, speaking to his friends, Biggs, etc, but it doesn't come close to what the radio version did.
I love the radio drama version! I have it on my ipod and listened to it on the bus ride home from school the last break. It does a have a lot of really interesting extra scenes which I also now conflate with what is in the actual movie.
Lucasfilm just pulled a Valve-wannabe on this one (without the cool ARG and extra free content, mind):

http://maythe4th.starwars.com/?CO=nx-en

Yup, a countdown to May 4th which lead to another countdown where you need to share the news on social networks, so you gradually get to know more about what the upcoming bluray collections will contain. I'll pass, not because I'm not interested, but because I frankly don't do social networks. And I'll probably buy the collections anyway. Eventually.
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thelovebat: Well crap, your blu ray player must suck then. I just use a PS3 for blu ray and it works perfectly, and there is a substantial difference in quality and storage space between blu ray and DVDs. Higher quality picture, more room for special features, and no having to buy a 3-4 disc collection to get all the special features you want for just one movie.
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BoxOfSnoo: My PS3 takes quite a while to load Blu-Rays... not 3 minutes mind you, but compare to a DVD and it's rather slow.

Funny though, most of the Blu-Rays I've gotten these days are 3-disc packages anyway (well, one of them usually is the DVD version). Inception was one of them that had a separate Blu-Ray just for special features.
That all depends on the bit-rate and length of the movie. Take the epic Avatar. No bonus features and it taes 44GB of space for a 28mbps bit-rate and 4400kbps lossless audio. It's not so much that there's extra room for special features, it's extra room to release as high a quality disc aq and pq wise as possible. DVD video bit-rates top out at 9.8mps. The audio bit-rate is 640kbps or lower. At those rates, tons of special features would fit on the blu-ray disc.

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Skystrider: Lucasfilm just pulled a Valve-wannabe on this one (without the cool ARG and extra free content, mind):

http://maythe4th.starwars.com/?CO=nx-en

Yup, a countdown to May 4th which lead to another countdown where you need to share the news on social networks, so you gradually get to know more about what the upcoming bluray collections will contain. I'll pass, not because I'm not interested, but because I frankly don't do social networks. And I'll probably buy the collections anyway. Eventually.
I'll just wait for this exclusive information to be leaked.
Post edited May 04, 2011 by Kabuto
Since the DRM in my BLU-RAY firmware doesn't allow output of an image above 480p through component due to DRM I'm not buying another disc until A: I can output through HDMI or B: The morons come to their senses!
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thelovebat: Well crap, your blu ray player must suck then. I just use a PS3 for blu ray and it works perfectly, and there is a substantial difference in quality and storage space between blu ray and DVDs. Higher quality picture, more room for special features, and no having to buy a 3-4 disc collection to get all the special features you want for just one movie.
I have a PS3, sitting in a box. I only use it to hack together fun projects since you can load anything on them now. BluRay sucks for all the reasons I mentioned, which is basically crap tacked onto it that doesn't help you. It's funny, your PS3 still loads BluRay slower than DVD, sure it's way faster than a normal player, but you're basically using a freaking full computer to bootstrap that DRM wrapped in additional DRM (I'm not even shitting you here, read the spec sometime). After which you'll be treated to even more unskippable ads than come on the same DVD version and a bunch of other shit you probably don't want. It's a bit cost prohibitive to make a real backup of a BluRay movie, but backing up a DVD movie is cheap, I can even strip off the shit I hate while doing so.

As for picture quality of DVD, you may have a proper upscaling DVD player and have it running properly up to your TV (or your receiver), I do find that most people who complain about how bad DVD looks on their HDTVs do not, though. So that's the first thing I suggest people fix before they make a comparison. Again, you may have this and still not think it's good enough, but most people do. Also, my XBox 360 streams Netflix via HDMI right to my HDTV, so that 720p gets upscaled by some nice and beefy hardware and looks pretty damned good, so damned good that I'm not tempted to pay 15 dollars per release to get a 1080p version of the same movie and put up with all the bullshit I've previously mentioned.

I get that some people really like BluRay, fair enough, what I don't get is why people who do seem to unable to fathom that some of us just don't think it's worth it, yes, even some of us that like really huge monitors:)
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Egotomb: Since the DRM in my BLU-RAY firmware doesn't allow output of an image above 480p through component due to DRM I'm not buying another disc until A: I can output through HDMI or B: The morons come to their senses!
It won't allow it over DVI either, so far as I know. Yeah, that sucks too.
Post edited May 04, 2011 by orcishgamer
Stupid, stupid marketing countdowns... their executives must have loved that. I know I will buy it; I just hope it doesn't happen like with LotR which has now 2 Blu-ray collections, and a third will be released after the two The Hobbit movies.

Anyways, instead of going to the hotsite, just go to these links:
http://www.starwars.com/movies/saga/bluraymay4/index.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjSEMjl_PZ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4kmSuHVX20

http://www.facebook.com/StarWars
For me, I'm really disappointed with spec. features of this collection, so I'm hesitant. However, the original Star Wars trilogy is probably my 3 all time favorite movies so I think I'll probably buy it despite the $99 that their charging. It wouldn't be right to not have one's favourite movies in its best possible form. And Lucas knows that the money grubbing bugger.