Are you really encouraging him? Really?

No, but if I just let it lie things are never going to improve for men in the US. And I'm definitely not about to legitimize the rather spoiled attitude that exists in American feminism.

The more people that respond positively to the bullying by women, the worse the situation is going to get. I'm not going to regret getting into these sorts of scraps, I will however deeply regret not having said anything when nobody else does as well.

The situation is getting worse, at this point it's getting increasingly hard to find a male therapist and for some issues you really do need a male therapist regardless of what women might believe.

Well the OP clearly didn't want to discuss that, and respecting the wish of the one who created a topic is above your preferences. You can always start a new topic on the issue and link to it thou, I'm sure far more people will bite that way anyhow.

You're right, I don't. The portrayals of women are generally better. They're hardly ideal, but they don't get abused, used and dehumanized to the same extent that men do.

I've come to expect this sort of hypocrisy out of feminists, but I was somewhat disappointed that you seem to be following the same hypocritical views that many others do. Men get objectified far more frequently and to a much greater extent than women do in video games. But somehow it's crossing a line when it happens to women.

RPGs are pretty dire, war games are pretty much irredeemably bad in that regards as well. And they'll often times prevent players from treating female characters with a similar dehumanizing way, assuming they're even included to begin with.

Oh, ok. :)

It's a shame though, really, because IMO these people totally miss the point. Modding in NWN isn't the same as modding in other games, it's not a modification of the original game that was never intended by the developers. Instead NWN was intentionally created as a game maker. I see the original campaign more as a demo of what can be done with the editor and the community has greatly expanded upon it and outdone it, so that the original game could be considered outdated and inferior to a lot of community modules nowadays. All the people who judge NWN by the original campaign are totally missing out on what the game is about.

But you may have a point, NWN is lacking in a feature to provide easy-to-handle self-installers for the modules. You need to know how to open zipped archives and be able to work with Windows' Explorer, so if that's already considered nerdy by today's standards, I get what you mean. :(

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And I noticed on the gamecard here GOG is obmitting the fact, too, that NWN comes with a campaign editor and allows you to run free modules. If it's treated like any other single player RPG and the community aspect is ignored, then I agree it's not to be recommended.

The post needed to be there. If she doesn't want to continue it, fine, but it's a really lousy form to post this sort of flamebait trolling here and not want to have anybody point out what dribble it is.

It's not just that, you also have to search for decent modules, you have to read their installation guide - even if it's as simple as "Copy files here," it's an annoyance for most people, and don't even get me started how most people react when they encounter a 7zip archive. "WHAT SORT OF SORCERY IS THAT!?"
NWN would greatly benefit from a service like Steam Workshop, really (please, don't start another anti-steam discussion, it could be a built-in service like Steam Workshop for all I care, I'm just saying all right?)

Good grief! I'm sorry you feel subjected to such portrayals! I don't play many games, nor those where I notice this sort of sexism. Maybe I've not dabbled in enough games, or maybe I'm just thick-skinned. But I don't think there's anything wrong with the OP's query, if that's what she wants. I don't think it's "dribble", it's just important to her. We don't all have to set the same priorities.

Anyway, just out of curisosity, what are a few games that you feel are the apex of "abused, used, and dehumanized" men? Shoot me a PM if you don't want to muck up the thread.

Quite frankly Planescape: Torment is simply too good to pass up, even considering the strange lack of clothing for female characters in the in-game artwork. Funnily enough, the prostitutes are depicted as being dressed relatively sensibly, whereas the upper-class women wear only loosely hanging strips of fabric - one cannot wonder if the artwork got mixed up somewhere. Or maybe there's a clothing taboo in Sigil. That would explain a bit...

On topic, however: aside from the fan service found in the artwork, which is pretty much inevitable for the games being sold here (pretty much every game of the era had it) the game is very tastefully written. The game took pretty much every trope employed by fantasy, smashed them into tiny pieces, glued them back imperfectly, added clay, painted over the seams, sold them to local museums for twenty bucks each... where was I going?

Never mind. I doubt you'll be disappointed.

That always manages to surprises me - I'm not very tech-savvy myself but for me using the Explorer and opening zipped archives is the bread and butter of working with a PC. And it's not as if you'd need to take courses to learn it, it would only take a few minutes at max to grasp the concepts of double clicking and drag and drop ... :P

Anyway, IIRC I think NWN2 had some function built in to automatically install modules. (But somehow I found it even more complicated to handle than NWN because you couldn't quite avoid copying folders and NWN2 made even more of a confusion out of it, moving it all the My Documents folder ...)

The searching would not be that much of an issue though. The community is always willing to help out with that and give recommendations, and if one doesn't want to join another forum, I believe one could get similar assistance in the NWN subforum here.

I'd recommended it to any male though who want a taste of how it feels to be sexually objectified. If you can play through it without feeling uncomfortable or annoyed at all those male characters you win! ;)

It's not a competition. Yes, both men and women are sterotyped pretty strongly in video games, usually focusing on the dominant sexual ideal for each sex. Surprise, surprise that doesn't fit with some people and is even uncomfortable for many.

Asking "equally" is probably not going to get you an answer that means anything. It will probably, however, get you a fight. I'm guessing you don't actually want one of those (no one should really, anyway). Yes, video games mis-portray both sexes, but often do so in a different manner. If we can all agree on that is there really anything to argue about?

Once the game starts your character's verbal vocabulary drops to "Superb" and "Fantastic". She can put on anything from pants to platemail armor, swing any weapon, cast any spell, learn any skill and ultimately save the world.

Most of the armours in the game cover you up just fine. Dismissing the whole thing on a few minutes of play seems a bit shallow, I hope you at least played it long enough to buy some pants.

The comments by the guys on the selection screen are just as banal and this most likely results from translation more than anything.

Maybe you best steer clear of any fantasy setting given the common tropes it employs, or risk meeting female characters who embrace or ignore their sexuality and have serious roles in the narrative despite the oppressive setting.

Collecting cards and having mindless 'sex' in the Witcher series is entirely optional, portraying Geralt as respectful and committed is an option.

I ask b/c I'm genuinely curious what he's thinking. Who wants to argue?