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Tormentfan: Yes, the dead woman... I would break every taboo in the book for her. She is the single most sympathetic and tragic character I've ever come across.... game, book, movie or otherwise.
Still, you don't like Annah because of her voice? What about her story? I think she is a interesting character.
While I mostly agree that the old "armored bikini" fantasy trope is super silly I'm not sure I would call it sexist. Fantasy is a male dominated genre so of course it is going to promote and admire the female form, same as Backstreet Boys videos promoting and admiring the male chest and male submission to female desires.

Anyway, most of the D&D games, Fallout games and Arcanum... agreed.
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jefequeso: Oh sure... when I object to the trading cards in The Witcher, everyone's all like "OMGWTF!" But when a girl has a problem with them, you're all eager to side with her.

;)
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Fenixp: Well YOU are one ugly bastard, why would anyone agree with you?
;_;
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Porkdish: stuff
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bevinator: I just wanted to second Porkdish here and say that DD is a wonderful game that has basically zero objectionable stuff other than the un-armored model. Once you put clothes on, your character looks fine. The starting screen has a half-naked guy on it too, remember. Once the game actually starts the game is basically identical regardless of sex. It's also by far my favorite of the diablo-clones.
If I understood the OP correctly she objected to the voiceover comments the females in DD made. It's been a long time but they were along the lines of "I've never needed a man to X. I'm better than all them men." They almost entirely compared themselves to men (or even came off as a bit man-hating, which most feminists actually don't identify with, despite popular belief). Again, I hope I'm not putting words in the OP's mouth or misrepresenting the dialog, it's what I recall about the game.

I played a male character so I don't know how DD played as one of the female character choices (I doubt there was much difference at all), but I can see being bewildered by those voice overs, they were pretty odd.
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orcishgamer: If I understood the OP correctly she objected to the voiceover comments the females in DD made. It's been a long time but they were along the lines of "I've never needed a man to X. I'm better than all them men." They almost entirely compared themselves to men (or even came off as a bit man-hating, which most feminists actually don't identify with, despite popular belief). Again, I hope I'm not putting words in the OP's mouth or misrepresenting the dialog, it's what I recall about the game.

I played a male character so I don't know how DD played as one of the female character choices (I doubt there was much difference at all), but I can see being bewildered by those voice overs, they were pretty odd.
Apart from the clothing there's no difference at all and as someone else pointed out, even the clothing is not that bad, once you get your first gear (no bikini or underwear, just a few more leg or belly than the males maybe). The voiceovers at the start are pretty weird for the most part and don't have much to do with the actual game. The mage I played said something along the lines of:

"They say that I'm a witch because I'm a woman, and a sorceress, because of my good looks. To hell with them! I merit the same respect as any male mage! This land has fallen ill, and I will earn the admiration of the people by curing it."

That's the most acceptable female character of them all, IMO, but as you say, it is a bit weird that they all have this defensive attitude as if living in a harsh world dominated by males when the actual gameplay and setting has nothing to do with it.

It's really more of a Diablo clone with a little more story and questing, not a game where you get to play a role in the sense of a believable character.
Post edited February 26, 2012 by Leroux
No one has mentioned NOX. Can't you switch gender for the characters? If so, it's a good game and I recall nothing overtly odd with regards to gender in the game.
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orcishgamer: No one has mentioned NOX. Can't you switch gender for the characters? If so, it's a good game and I recall nothing overtly odd with regards to gender in the game.
You can't. But then, OP doesn't seem to care what gender the character is. Only how they are portrayed.
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orcishgamer: If I understood the OP correctly she objected to the voiceover comments the females in DD made. It's been a long time but they were along the lines of "I've never needed a man to X. I'm better than all them men." They almost entirely compared themselves to men (or even came off as a bit man-hating, which most feminists actually don't identify with, despite popular belief). Again, I hope I'm not putting words in the OP's mouth or misrepresenting the dialog, it's what I recall about the game.

I played a male character so I don't know how DD played as one of the female character choices (I doubt there was much difference at all), but I can see being bewildered by those voice overs, they were pretty odd.
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Leroux: Apart from the clothing there's no difference at all and as someone else pointed out, even the clothing is not that bad, once you get your first gear (no bikini or underwear, just a few more leg or belly than the males maybe). The voiceovers at the start are pretty weird for the most part and don't have much to do with the actual game. The mage I played said something along the lines of:

"They say that I'm a witch because I'm a woman, and a sorceress, because of my good looks. To hell with them! I merit the same respect as any male mage! This land has fallen ill, and I will earn the admiration of the people by curing it."

That's the most acceptable female character of them all, IMO, but as you say, it is a bit weird that they all have this defensive attitude as if living in a harsh world dominated by males when the actual gameplay and setting has nothing to do with it.

It's really more of a Diablo clone with a little more story and questing, not a game where you get to play a role in the sense of a believable character.
It's has expanded Diablo MECHANICS, but it's far more than that.. it's hardly a clone. ..and it's questing.. it's got more questing that most other games.. more than DA, more than ME.. it's as deep and complex as any example you want to hold up.
Post edited February 26, 2012 by Tormentfan
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Leroux: Apart from the clothing there's no difference at all and as someone else pointed out, even the clothing is not that bad, once you get your first gear (no bikini or underwear, just a few more leg or belly than the males maybe). The voiceovers at the start are pretty weird for the most part and don't have much to do with the actual game. The mage I played said something along the lines of:

"They say that I'm a witch because I'm a woman, and a sorceress, because of my good looks. To hell with them! I merit the same respect as any male mage! This land has fallen ill, and I will earn the admiration of the people by curing it."

That's the most acceptable female character of them all, IMO, but as you say, it is a bit weird that they all have this defensive attitude as if living in a harsh world dominated by males when the actual gameplay and setting has nothing to do with it.

It's really more of a Diablo clone with a little more story and questing, not a game where you get to play a role in the sense of a believable character.
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Tormentfan: It's has expanded Diablo MECHANICS, but it's far more than that.. it's hardly a clone. ..and it's questing.. it's got more questing that most other games.. more than DA, more than ME.. it's as deep and complex as any example you want to hold up.
I have to agree, DD is only a Diablo-clone/tribute on the surface. It was way more complex than Diablo, more of a Fallout type game, really. With that said, I didn't enjoy it and quit before the end. I can understand that there were some really interesting things there that others may have liked. I just didn't like it all that much. Also, the OP won't be missing out on one of gaming's greatest gems by not playing it or anything. Whether you maintain it was a good or a bad game (or somewhere in between) I've never heard anyone call DD anything like "genre defining" or "iconic".
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Tormentfan: It's has expanded Diablo MECHANICS, but it's far more than that.. it's hardly a clone. ..and it's questing.. it's got more questing that most other games.. more than DA, more than ME.. it's as deep and complex as any example you want to hold up.
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orcishgamer: I have to agree, DD is only a Diablo-clone/tribute on the surface. It was way more complex than Diablo, more of a Fallout type game, really. With that said, I didn't enjoy it and quit before the end. I can understand that there were some really interesting things there that others may have liked. I just didn't like it all that much. Also, the OP won't be missing out on one of gaming's greatest gems by not playing it or anything. Whether you maintain it was a good or a bad game (or somewhere in between) I've never heard anyone call DD anything like "genre defining" or "iconic".
Definately not iconic or genre defining as you say...but I'd, personally, hold it up with the best of them... the sequels however are a completely different matter altogether.. :/

It does, at the end of the day, fall down to personal taste..... but it isn't 'lite' by any means.
I would still really like an answer from the OP on my original question:

The cover art for Divine Divinity is a picture of an angel in skimpy lingerie and thigh high boots. How did that not give you an idea of what to expect? The cover art is far more graphic than anything you'll find in the actual game.
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MonstaMunch: I would still really like an answer from the OP on my original question:

The cover art for Divine Divinity is a picture of an angel in skimpy lingerie and thigh high boots. How did that not give you an idea of what to expect? The cover art is far more graphic than anything you'll find in the actual game.
Covers are always non-indicitive of what to expect in practice.. it surprises me anyone would still use them as indicator.
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Jalixx3: ...
Hey so I just wanted to throw in an RPG suggestion: FreeDroidRPG

It's not a GOG game, but it's free and open source, and very well done! You play a penguin fighting robots, so there really isn't very much room for sexism anyway ;)

It is more of a geeky game, but gameplay isn't really geeky at all :)

Anyway, just my 2 cents :)
Post edited February 26, 2012 by A_Future_Pilot
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MonstaMunch: I would still really like an answer from the OP on my original question:

The cover art for Divine Divinity is a picture of an angel in skimpy lingerie and thigh high boots. How did that not give you an idea of what to expect? The cover art is far more graphic than anything you'll find in the actual game.
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Tormentfan: Covers are always non-indicitive of what to expect in practice.. it surprises me anyone would still use them as indicator.
Well, in this case, the cover art displays exactly what the OP found offensive. Attractive women in underwear being used to sell a game. She still bought it....
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Tormentfan: Covers are always non-indicitive of what to expect in practice.. it surprises me anyone would still use them as indicator.
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MonstaMunch: Well, in this case, the cover art displays exactly what the OP found offensive. Attractive women in underwear being used to sell a game. She still bought it....
No, she said she found the voiceovers of the female characters annoying. They weren't annoying because they had slutty clothes but because they spent a weird amount of time indulging in bizarre female to male comparisons (something the male voiceovers didn't do). Go listen to them again, they are actually pretty odd.