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ktchong: http://technologyspectator.com.au/who-owns-your-digital-content-good-go-just-give-summary-quick-check

iTune works only with compatible devices -- and that means Apple devices:
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/itunes1.htm

If you ever decide to stop using Apple products, yo willu also lose everything you bought on iTunes and App Stores. Which is why I've avoided buying anything Apple. Buying Apple is basically a lifetime contract.
Those articles are either out of date or as misinformed as you are:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1711?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
I tend to listen to tracks on YouTube first. My rule of thumb is; If I like at least three songs from an album, I'll likely order the album online (or go out and buy it).

I generally don't like the tracks to be in Mp3 format once I put them on my iTunes, so I change them to AAC if they're not that already. Or MP4, which I don't mind too much.

As a whole, I enjoy the cases, album artwork, CD, logos, lyric/picture booklets and the general feeling of actually owning the physical thing, not just digitally.
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mrmarioanonym: mp3s? please, so much quality loss, it's ridiculous.
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Dzsono: Wasn't there a vinyl thread a while ago where you were supporting the medium? Or have I misremembered?
sorry, only appreciate "lossless" (although there is no truly lossless format, but mp3 is probably the worst) media.
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ktchong: CD. I buy it. I own it.

You do not actually "buy" MP3. You merely pay to "rent" or "lease" them from Amazon, App Store, Google Store, or whatever. Those MP3 are tied to your accounts or a particular service, and are NOT transferable. If Amazon/Apple/Google/whatever decides to cut you off from using the MP3 you have (foolishly) paid for, or suddenly decide to change their terms and demand you to pay a monthly ransom to continue to use their services and your music, they can. Because they have full control over your access to the MP3 you have already paid for. They can always stop you from using the products you have already paid for at anytime.

I sorta pity all the young kids who "buy" everything digital.
Wut? Rights-wise, a CD is no different from digital downloads, except you can resell it. You do not own the music on the CD, the rightsholder does.

Did you forget that it was once nominally illegal to rip your own CDs, or are you too young to remember? Blah blah stored in a retrieval system, in any form or by any meant, electronic, mechanical and whatnot, without the prior permission. If the digital download music is DRM-free (and it is), what they can stop you from doing is no different than with CDs.

Now, let the above never stop anyone from hating Apple (it certainly doesn't stop me), but seriously, wtf dude.
Post edited October 06, 2012 by Starmaker
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mrmarioanonym: sorry, only appreciate "lossless" (although there is no truly lossless format, but mp3 is probably the worst) media.
My friend showed me his lossless, remastered (2009?) Beatles collection and it sounds pretty damn sweet. Um, mono over stereo as well. All that hard panning is a little too extreme for me.
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mrmarioanonym: sorry, only appreciate "lossless" (although there is no truly lossless format, but mp3 is probably the worst) media.
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Dzsono: My friend showed me his lossless, remastered (2009?) Beatles collection and it sounds pretty damn sweet. Um, mono over stereo as well. All that hard panning is a little too extreme for me.
the album where stereo is better for me is Sgt.Pepper. But i'm in the minority.
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AeonofOblivion: I tend to listen to tracks on YouTube first. My rule of thumb is; If I like at least three songs from an album, I'll likely order the album online (or go out and buy it).
YouTube? I don't even... You'd be much better off using the likes of Grooveshark. Easier to use and much better all around for that kind of use. It's very handy, as far as I'm concerned, but I wouldn't ever "buy" anything from there.
I'm buying almost all my digital music from http://bandcamp.com

Three main reasons:
1) Best artists I discovered are selling from there (VikingGuitar FTW !)
2) Files are DRM-free
3) Different audio format, especially Ogg FLAC
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mistermumbles: YouTube? I don't even... You'd be much better off using the likes of Grooveshark. Easier to use and much better all around for that kind of use. It's very handy, as far as I'm concerned, but I wouldn't ever "buy" anything from there.
For me the low quality on YT is actually a reason why I prefer it for checking out some music before buying it (as is the fact that it usually requires some effort to find all songs from an album there). When I finally get the CD I at least feel some change that makes me feel like I'm being rewarded for the purchase. :P
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mistermumbles: YouTube? I don't even... You'd be much better off using the likes of Grooveshark. Easier to use and much better all around for that kind of use. It's very handy, as far as I'm concerned, but I wouldn't ever "buy" anything from there.
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F4LL0UT: For me the low quality on YT is actually a reason why I prefer it for checking out some music before buying it (as is the fact that it usually requires some effort to find all songs from an album there). When I finally get the CD I at least feel some change that makes me feel like I'm being rewarded for the purchase. :P
You're also probably using up more bandwidth at the same time.
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mistermumbles: You're also probably using up more bandwidth at the same time.
In Poland we have flat rates, you know.
man, there are not nearly as many people doing the mp3 downloading thing as i thought. I love it to death, i can buy only the songs i like and i can listen to them whenever i feel like it, i don't have to wait around for a good song to come on like on the radio.


internet radio was a good idea too, but honestly, like i said, i just don't have enough control over what i get to listen too.
When I buy from iTunes, onto a cd it goes. Then I don't have to worry about what happens. :-)
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ashout: or do you buy cd's still?


I get my music from amazon mp3 service, its a buck per song usually and they are good songs. of course, they don't have tool, but nobody has tool becuase tool is very odd and want people to buy the albums instead of mp3 donwloading.
I prefer CDs when possible. But otherwise I buy my files at cdbaby.com or from Google Play. Ideally I only buy ones that are both DRM free and full CD quality.

I'm sure there are other shops out there, but those are the ones that I've used recently. I absolutely refuse to buy anything from the ITMS.
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ktchong: CD. I buy it. I own it.

You do not actually "buy" MP3. You merely pay to "rent" or "lease" them from Amazon, App Store, Google Store, or whatever. Those MP3 are tied to your accounts or a particular service, and are NOT transferable. If Amazon/Apple/Google/whatever decides to cut you off from using the MP3 you have (foolishly) paid for, or suddenly decide to change their terms and demand you to pay a monthly ransom to continue to use their services and your music, they can. Because they have full control over your access to the MP3 you have already paid for. They can always stop you from using the products you have already paid for at anytime.

I sorta pity all the young kids who "buy" everything digital.
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Starmaker: Wut? Rights-wise, a CD is no different from digital downloads, except you can resell it. You do not own the music on the CD, the rightsholder does.

Did you forget that it was once nominally illegal to rip your own CDs, or are you too young to remember? Blah blah stored in a retrieval system, in any form or by any meant, electronic, mechanical and whatnot, without the prior permission. If the digital download music is DRM-free (and it is), what they can stop you from doing is no different than with CDs.

Now, let the above never stop anyone from hating Apple (it certainly doesn't stop me), but seriously, wtf dude.
It was never illegal to rip a CD in the US. It was and is illegal to rip DVDS provided they use CSS on them, but it was never illegal to rip a CD. It always fell into the fair use category as long as you kept the files and the disc in the same place.

Now, I do know that in other parts of the world that is not the case. I'm not sure if they ever legalized CD ripping in the UK.
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mrmarioanonym: sorry, only appreciate "lossless" (although there is no truly lossless format, but mp3 is probably the worst) media.
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Dzsono: My friend showed me his lossless, remastered (2009?) Beatles collection and it sounds pretty damn sweet. Um, mono over stereo as well. All that hard panning is a little too extreme for me.
Not to side track, but did they compress that all to hell like they often do with remasters?
Post edited October 07, 2012 by hedwards
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hedwards: Not to side track, but did they compress that all to hell like they often do with remasters?
Hmmm, it happens sometimes, but I think the 2009 Beatles remasters were really well done. The remaster of Nevermind by Nirvana, on the other hand, was some of the worst over-compressed garbage I've ever heard. I think it's just the luck of the draw with these things.