It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
Difference in cultures, ideas and the view and how we've handled science as well as how the established aristocrats lived like. Something I really don't like is grand scale wars, if it's anything military I prefer stories about guerrilla warfare or small teams where it becomes more personal to give it a much better insight of how people deal with war and its consquences rather than what country fought who for what.
avatar
jamotide: It is totally relevant, 5 to 10% of a population dieing due to the likes of Mao happened so often so often you cant even count it. But killing 30% of the population of a country is noteworthy, even if the country is small.

For example, murders in china are not more interesting than murders in France, just because the total number is much higher. It would only be interesting if the murder RATE was much higher in one of the countries.

You are just trying to save your idiotic statement now, saying that deaths are higher in bigger countries is not "inhumane and horrible".
You're not even making any sense now.

I was saying that both comments were equal in their "horrible and inhumane" aspect as you yourself put it. You were a pot and you were calling the kettle black. In reality neither statement is "inhumane and horrible", but those were the words you chose to use.

I've never made a statement one way or the other on my beliefs of the situation, I will now; ALL deaths that Humanity imposes upon itself are Inhumane and Horrible. Neither percentages or numbers changes that.
avatar
s23021536: Ah a voice of reason, and how about that cave dude that discovered fire? Kudos to you Og!
avatar
t4n3: Speaking of which, have you seen The Croods? It's about cavemen that survive the breakup of Pangaea, and discover fire. I thought that was hilarious with all the weird creatures. Only drawback is Nic Cage voicing the father.

Anyway, God yes fire is amazing. That honestly was the fist step towards civilization I believe.
Speaking about first steps to civilization... what I find really interesting is how farming came about. It was independently invented in probably only three or four different places in the world but it did spread really quickly.

I'm not entirely sure if it's true or not but apparently all modern wheat used in farming can trace its ancestry to a hillside in Mesopotamia.
avatar
t4n3: Can't you both agree that murder is evil and shake hands? C'mon there are better things to discuss.

Like how Roman women invented the bra by using a leather strap.
Sometimes a lone voice of reason is not enough :P
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_members_unite_reinforcements_are_needed
avatar
s23021536: Ah a voice of reason, and how about that cave dude that discovered fire? Kudos to you Og!
I thought his name was Prometheus! But in any case that was probably THE most important change in (pre)-history. The first expression of rationality over instinct. Or in other words, it was the moment when our species changed from instinctively fire-fearing animal to fire-using human. And fire still shapes our lives today. No other step of civilization ever had the kind of impact that fire had. Not even the wheel.



.............................................................................................................. ...........................
avatar
tinyE: The American Revolution, as it really happened.
You forgot one important detail!
Post edited July 16, 2013 by Lifthrasil
avatar
Lifthrasil: I thought his name was Prometheus! But in any case that was probably THE most important change in (pre)-history. The first expression of rationality over instinct. Or in other words, it was the moment when our species changed from instinctively fire-fearing animal to fire-using human. And fire still shapes our lives today. No other step of civilization ever had the kind of impact that fire had. Not even the wheel.]
Now you're talking! A close second might be coffee... I'm actually not joking it might actually be an interesting research topic. Do # patent applications/ population show a correlation with certain cultural changes? like coffee - speaking of which, mine is getting cold
avatar
s23021536: Ah a voice of reason, and how about that cave dude that discovered fire? Kudos to you Og!
avatar
Lifthrasil: I thought his name was Prometheus! But in any case that was probably THE most important change in (pre)-history. The first expression of rationality over instinct. Or in other words, it was the moment when our species changed from instinctively fire-fearing animal to fire-using human. And fire still shapes our lives today. No other step of civilization ever had the kind of impact that fire had. Not even the wheel.

.............................................................................................................. ...........................
avatar
tinyE: The American Revolution, as it really happened.
avatar
Lifthrasil: You forgot one important detail!
XD As someone who is named after Lincoln and has a "Lincoln Bedroom" at his B&B, I think I'll print up that bad boy and put it on display somewhere. Thanks!
avatar
ChrisSD: Speaking about first steps to civilization... what I find really interesting is how farming came about. It was independently invented in probably only three or four different places in the world but it did spread really quickly.

I'm not entirely sure if it's true or not but apparently all modern wheat used in farming can trace its ancestry to a hillside in Mesopotamia.
Have you heard about Norman Borlaug? If not I encourage you to read just a little on him. Because of him everyone on this planet can be easily fed, if only we could remove all the corruption in power first.
avatar
ChrisSD: Speaking about first steps to civilization... what I find really interesting is how farming came about. It was independently invented in probably only three or four different places in the world but it did spread really quickly.

I'm not entirely sure if it's true or not but apparently all modern wheat used in farming can trace its ancestry to a hillside in Mesopotamia.
avatar
t4n3: Have you heard about Norman Borlaug? If not I encourage you to read just a little on him. Because of him everyone on this planet can be easily fed, if only we could remove all the corruption in power first.
I'd never heard of him before! Thank you, I'll do some reading...
avatar
Cormoran: You're not even making any sense now.
You need to read again, it makes perfect sense. The comments were in no way equal. I was just saying that deaths of a common cause are obviously higher in bigger countries which is a fact of reality, not inhumane.
He was saying that death rates are obviously higher in smaller countries which is logically false and inhumane especially in the context of one of the worst genocides in history.
avatar
ChrisSD: I'd never heard of him before! Thank you, I'll do some reading...
You are quite welcome. You won't be disappointed on what you find. He is one of the greatest humans to have set foot on this planet. Sadly though, he died a few years ago.
Post edited July 16, 2013 by t4n3
My favorite thing? The enormous variety of things to read about and learn.
It repeats itself.

I myself like history very much! It's just a hassle to remember all the dates :P
avatar
Lifthrasil: All of history is fascinating. But the period that interests me most are the crusades. Especially the 3rd crusade, I.e. the time of Barbarossa, Richard Lionheart and Sultan Saladin. You get several dominant historical figures at once and the events of that period have a deep impact on everything that follows after.
My second pet-period is the 1920-es. A very interesting period torn between hope and fear. Everything was changing, science, art and society. Everything was new. But also the political scenery was changing daily and dangerously so. So it's a very vivid period with lots of things to study.
Apart from these two I am also very interested in early-historic cultures like Babylon and Sumer. First appearance of script, fist recorded mathematics and astronomy and one of the first transitions from a rural to an urban society.
Don't forget Sumeria is where the first recorded religion is found, as well. It's the religion that a certain book is supposedly based on.

It's kind of creepy to think the first recorded religion of humanity was an evil one, and begs the question of whether humanity is born evil, or becomes that way.

Back on track, my favorite historical period was Ancient Greece during the heyday of Greek mythology. Something about the Greeks, and their take on gods being utterly humanistic really grabs me and dances.
avatar
Cormoran: You're not even making any sense now.
avatar
jamotide: You need to read again, it makes perfect sense. The comments were in no way equal. I was just saying that deaths of a common cause are obviously higher in bigger countries which is a fact of reality, not inhumane.
He was saying that death rates are obviously higher in smaller countries which is logically false and inhumane especially in the context of one of the worst genocides in history.
That's the exact same thing! You've got to be trolling me...

The statements were equal, bigger numbers versus bigger percentage, simple. You can say the statements aren't equal as much as you want, you're only deluding yourself.

It's ALL Horrible and Inhumane.