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Say you walk right into a trap, and you are being ambushed. By a group of people, like a group of illegal immigrants, on a poorly lit path, or on a solitary area. You don't know for sure and you can't be certain if they are going to harm you, abduct you, or downright kill you. What to do to defend yourself?

Let's assume you know both in theory and practice some skills to damage seriously others. And you can be quick enough to utilize the environment for your offense purposes. Or that you already carry items that qualify as weapons, or can be utilized as such. Long story short, you become startled enough from your ambushers, and with skill alone and/or gear kill or cripple one or more of your attackers while trying to stay unharmed yourself.

Is it justifiable self denfense? Even if you cannot present proof of you being hunted and in danger? What if you are already framed, and by even touching people really sent after you with genuine harmful intentions against you, you get into serious legal and not only trouble? Is it better to stay pinned, play the duck, eat their blows in your gut, and play victim? What are the healthy, socially acceptable solutions you can employee, in situations like this? How to preserve you ass literally, in such a case?
Post edited December 01, 2014 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
Kill them all, dead people tell no tales :)
Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuun!!!!!!
This is why I always walk on dimly-lit paths with friends. Situation permitting, they make for great meat shields.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Is it justifiable self denfense?
No. Killing in self defense is acceptable when you can prove that the other person was actively trying to kill you. In the scenario you are talking, you stumbled upon a group of drunken soccer fans returning home after a round of bar hopping, while loudly cursing at each other and making lewd comments to other people, and your reaction is to maim and kill them. Start at assault and battery and move towards murder. Not self defense.
That is a nice tricky one, even legalwise.

If you have training, it is in most countries not longer accepted as self defense as theoretically you are ´more´ qualified and deadly as the others.

If you use a weapon higher graded as the other guys, again not longer seen as self defense.

Why do you think, for example, professional boxers loose they license, when they particapte in any ´boxing´outside the ring? Best example Klitschko, who was attacked in parlament and didn´t strike back ;)

So logically, the best thing to do, would be to run away or get into hiding.

For avoiding being framed, first thing to get, is a bleeding wound from the others (self-inflicted or not ;) ), as this leaves trails, it can easily be determined what you did or not and PLUS you were the first one to be injured ;)

After you have been injured, normally any court accepts self defense ;)

And always go for the groin ;) It doesn´t kill, but definitly takes the other guy out of the game ;) and it is SELF DEFENSE, you don´t try to kill ;)

Just my 2 cents ;)
Roll initiative. With a penalty.
It depends on whether or not they had a printer that I needed to use.
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Goodaltgamer: Why do you think, for example, professional boxers loose they license, when they particapte in any ´boxing´outside the ring? Best example Klitschko, who was attacked in parlament and didn´t strike back ;)
Because Klitschko punching politicans would have violated the rights of the owners of the "The Hulk" IP. Marvel has the exclusive rights on angry musclemen throwing around helpless humans who didn't know what thy were attacking.
Stop, drop and roll.
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Goodaltgamer: Why do you think, for example, professional boxers loose they license, when they particapte in any ´boxing´outside the ring? Best example Klitschko, who was attacked in parlament and didn´t strike back ;)
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real.geizterfahr: Because Klitschko punching politicans would have violated the rights of the owners of the "The Hulk" IP. Marvel has the exclusive rights on angry musclemen throwing around helpless humans who didn't know what thy were attacking.
+1 for you!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL

Didn´t think of this one!!!!!!!!
Is it justifiable self denfense? -> of course!
Even if you cannot present proof -> like if I voluntary attacked unarmed and alone a group of people lol
What if you are already framed -> oh come on.. well, I kick one down, jump over him and run like hell.
If the Greek justice system is as shitty as in the rest of Europe, you're better off training for the marathon and run for your life. If you stay and get your ass kicked, pray that you don't end up dead when they're finished with you. If you stand up and defend yourself, you'll go to jail, lose your salary, house, etc.

Best option is to turn justice around and beat the shit out of one of them when he's at home or doing shopping and not expecting you so you fucked up one of the guy and after some hours at the local police for administrative formalities, you'll just get a blame and that's it.

Even better if you have money and know your enemies : make contact with some thugs from ex-yougoslavia, albania, etc. You can find them in the bars surrounding prostitution areas. This way, you can get weapons or put a contract on your enemies (not necessarly to kill them, just breaking both knees will be enough. Man-raping is also a good option to fuck up their psyche). Make a 40/60 payment (40% upfront, 60% after job is done).
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Goodaltgamer: That is a nice tricky one, even legalwise.

If you have training, it is in most countries not longer accepted as self defense as theoretically you are ´more´ qualified and deadly as the others.

If you use a weapon higher graded as the other guys, again not longer seen as self defense.

Why do you think, for example, professional boxers loose they license, when they particapte in any ´boxing´outside the ring? Best example Klitschko, who was attacked in parlament and didn´t strike back ;)

So logically, the best thing to do, would be to run away or get into hiding.

For avoiding being framed, first thing to get, is a bleeding wound from the others (self-inflicted or not ;) ), as this leaves trails, it can easily be determined what you did or not and PLUS you were the first one to be injured ;)

After you have been injured, normally any court accepts self defense ;)

And always go for the groin ;) It doesn´t kill, but definitly takes the other guy out of the game ;) and it is SELF DEFENSE, you don´t try to kill ;)

Just my 2 cents ;)
Exactly. And first and foremost, i want to escape trouble, not invite it, ALWAYS. I like playing safe. I let wrongdoers generally walk away, even if they sometimes feel as fresh as to hurl a small punch, or demand money/mobile, and sometimes, honestly, even handed whatever they asked, in fear of loosing control in a possible brawl and cause irreparable damage (knife countering of opponent training also adept at).

As of late though, trouble sure seems to like me. And i feel like a total jackass, having trained like hell, and being unable to even protect myself properly, because i am going to find myself on the wrong scales of law.

Problem is, if someone runs into people that seriously pose a threat... Get wounded on purpose, or do whatever is in your hands to save yourself, and potentially face consequences later?

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catpower1980: If the Greek justice system is as shitty as in the rest of Europe, you're better off training for the marathon and run for your life. If you stay and get your ass kicked, pray that you don't end up dead when they're finished with you. If you stand up and defend yourself, you'll go to jail, lose your salary, house, etc.

Best option is to turn justice around and beat the shit out of one of them when he's at home or doing shopping and not expecting you so you fucked up one of the guy and after some hours at the local police for administrative formalities, you'll just get a blame and that's it.

Even better if you have money and know your enemies : make contact with some thugs from ex-yougoslavia, albania, etc. You can find them in the bars surrounding prostitution areas. This way, you can get weapons or put a contract on your enemies (not necessarly to kill them, just breaking both knees will be enough. Man-raping is also a good option to fuck up their psyche). Make a 40/60 payment (40% upfront, 60% after job is done).
Shady tricks like those, even if i have money (which i currently do), would never be fancied by me. Ever. Don't do to others whatever it is you do not want done to you.
Post edited December 01, 2014 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
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catpower1980: If the Greek justice system is as shitty as in the rest of Europe, you're better off training for the marathon and run for your life.
Not sure when KiNgBrAdLeY7 moved to Greece, since he's from Australia from what I recall. But if he has moved here, the legal system will depend quite a bit on where he was when that happened, and who he attacked. There may be swift and proper justice, or the event may be sweeped under the rug. It does depend on too many things unfortunately.